Comments for Brazilian Flood: 116 Dead and No Place to Rebuild at http://www.brazzilmag.com , comment 0 to 20 out of 25 comments http://www.brazzilmag.com Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:55:34 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.2 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/10282/1/#pc_18723 An interesting slant on the SC floods. http://www.oeco.com.br/germano-woehl/85-germano-woehl/20434-o-dia-em-que-santa-catarina-derreteu - du48 Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:40:11 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/10282/1/#pc_18624 Florianopolis has not been so badly affected as the mainland but there are long tailbacks on the sc 401 during the day while the landslide is removed and the potholes are being filled -in front of the State Administration Offices further down the road. Holidaymakers ,commuter traffic and service trucks steadily increase but the hoteliers are concerned that bookings are already down as a result of the the storms and are anxious about the prospects for the high season after Christmas.The media are doing their best to put on a brave face but the coastal beaches are suffering from flooding, over- flowing rivers and streams and now strong winds and high tides washing up not just jellyfish..... Some areas famous for oysterbeds have been wiped out.The signs are ominous, to say the least. - du48 Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:29:41 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/10282/1/#pc_18591 ...actualy make that a ciclone sub tropical... the proof is on the beach , the exceptualy strong currants have brought a huge amount of agua vivos,jelly fish. epecialy the caravelos , the ones bubled up out of the water, to the shore. many are torn in many bits and peices indicating violent activity out at sea. if it was just volcano clouds, you wouldnt see so many waxhed ashore. it does happen every year, but, i never saw so many washed ashore and torn to bits as this time - asp Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:30:28 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/10282/1/#pc_18583 the truth is , the problem about the weather in santa catarina is caused by a high preasure system above bahia that is not letting cold fronts pass through. and, there is a cyclone anti tropical blowing off the south west coast of santa catarina. since the high preasure system is not letting the cold fronts pass, the bad weather just keeps coming and coming ive seen this many times, except that the high preasure system extends all the way down below santa catarian and doesnt let fronts pass. like in 2006, which had tremendous beach weather all year. when brasilia is extremly dry and suffering, santa catarina goes well this rain reminds me of horrible rainy periods in the 90's, that just wouldn stop. but, thjis is the worst ive ever seen. this was rain from hell, just never stopped. it wasnt heavy wind rain that is really bad too, but, just straight up horrible non stop rain i agree with ch c every one wants to blame global warming. if its too much rain, its global warming, if its draght , its global warming - asp Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:51:15 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/10282/1/#pc_18556 You have received information... - Augustus Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:33:22 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/10282/1/#pc_18549 I presume the names quoted are politicians from SC Yes, the one in your quote is the current (and reelected) Mayor of the Capital. I'M SPEACHLESS I am posting below a link that you may find interesting: http://deolhonacapital.blogspot.com/ I suggest you bookmark this page and read it everyday so that you will become more speechless. >:( - João da Silva Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:38:54 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/10282/1/#pc_18536 I'M SPEACHLESS era preciso deixar Santa Catarina pronta para os turistas. Dário Berger, avisando em São Paulo que as praias de Florianópolis não foram atingidas Yet, I'm not familiar with the names of the people mentioned in the article I wish I knew the names of governors of main states (SOUTH & SOUTHEAST) as well as mayors of the main cities - I presume the names quoted are politicians from SC - Augustus Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:28:42 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/10282/1/#pc_18533 Yes, there were plans to prevent flooding along the Itajai river but of course nothing happened. Yes, some responsible professionals had come out with plans after the devastating floods of 1983/84. The plans remained just on paper. In the reconstruction of Santa Catarina maybe now the word accountability will take on a new meaning. I wish I could share your optimism. [quote]The solidarity and respect expressed for 80,000 homeless people needs to be mirrored by all those who are elected at federal, state and municipal level. PLANNING for housing is now essential if further disasters are to be avoided.Nothing less is acceptable. [/quote] During the municipal elections in October of this year, there was this young Engineer who was a candidate for the city council. He stood on the platform of proper Urban Planning. Most of his ideas were simple,but brilliant and practical. He got a sound thrashing and did not get elected. IMHO, these 80,000 people will soon be forgotten and the "elected officials" will continue shelving good plans and still keep on getting reelected. - João da Silva Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:02:42 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/10282/1/#pc_18528 Of course ! What about those with money even if they are the minority ? Results : STILLL MUCH MUCH LESS than ONE US DOLLAR GIVEN BY EVERY NON POOR BRAZILIAN ! Sorry Forrest but you hide the reality in a dark forest....hard to swallow ! Is there not around 25 - 35 % of the population with decent income or more....in Brazil ? Come on....come on !!!!! - ch.c. Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:25:09 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/10282/1/#pc_18526 Only the most terrible tragedies will have to take place in order to concentrate the minds of those with political responsibility and industrial power.Brazil is no exception. Yes, there were plans to prevent flooding along the Itajai river but of course nothing happened. In the reconstruction of Santa Catarina maybe now the word accountability will take on a new meaning. The solidarity and respect expressed for 80,000 homeless people needs to be mirrored by all those who are elected at federal, state and municipal level. PLANNING for housing is now essential if further disasters are to be avoided.Nothing less is acceptable. - du48 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:03:11 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/10282/1/#pc_18522 FYI: [quote] “Turismo O governador Luiz Henrique da Silveira instituiu este ano o Prêmio Beto Carrero de Excelência em Turismo. A escolha é feita pelo Conselho Estadual de Turismo, cujos membros são nomeados pelo governador Luiz Henrique. O resultado oficial foi anunciado esta tarde. Escolhido na categoria Personalidade? O governador Luiz Henrique.” Alertado por uma amiga, que me ligou espantadíssima, fui ler. Tive que ler duas vezes. Não acreditei e li a terceira vez. E é exatamente isto que parece à primeira vista. Sob a presidência do incansável Fernando Marcondes de Matos, o Conselho nomeado pelo LHS outorgou-lhe um prêmio criado pelo próprio LHS. Decerto pelas declarações de que era preciso deixar Santa Catarina pronta para os turistas. Dário Berger, avisando em São Paulo que as praias de Florianópolis não foram atingidas, foi um concorrente forte, mas não conseguiu superar o mestre. No texto oficial, da Secretaria do Knaesel, o absurdo fica ainda mais inacreditável, quase surrealista: aqui. Claro, porque não foi só o LHS, criador do troféu, que o recebeu. O Parque Beto Carrero também foi premiado, na categoria empreendimento turístico, com o troféu Beto Carrero! E, como se fosse surpresa, como melhor município quem levou o prêmio foi... Florianópolis! Que coisa impressionante. Parece piada. Soa como brincadeira. Mas é apenas deboche.[/quote] Nero is playing the fiddle, while Rome is burning. ;D - João da Silva Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:15:20 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/10282/1/#pc_18521 ALL - AGAIN DEPENDING ON HOW MASSIVE THE EXPLOSION WAS (I DO NOT KNOW - PERHAPS FOREST MAY CLARIFY) THE EFFECTS REMAIN FOR YEARS!!!! It is now generally thought that the aberrations occurred because of the 5 April – 15 April, 1815 volcanic eruptions of Mount Tambora,[7][8] the world's largest eruption in at least 1,600 years (Lake Taupo's Hatepe eruption of c. 180 AD was probably just as big[clarify]), on the island of Sumbawa in the Dutch East Indies (modern-day Indonesia) which ejected immense amounts of volcanic dust into the upper atmosphere. The fact that the eruptions occurred during the middle of the Dalton Minimum (a period of unusually low solar activity) is also significant. The Year Without a Summer (also known as the Poverty Year, the Year There Was No Summer, or Eighteen hundred and froze to death) was 1816, in which severe summer climate abnormalities destroyed crops in Northern Europe, the American Northeast and eastern Canada.[1][2] Historian John D. Post has called this "the last great subsistence crisis in the Western world".[3] It appears to have been caused by a volcanic winter. FULL DETAILS ==> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer - Augustus Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:00:27 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/10282/1/#pc_18520 Two bank accounts opened by Santa Catarina state authorities to receive donations got 776.8 million dollars from anonymous donors across the country. It is a news to me, Jon. Thanks for quoting "alternative sources of information" to give us this fabulous news. Any chance that Harpy would donate 7 Billion Canuck dollars and still remain anonymous? :D BTW, Globo is not CBC and El Ninho ( Pronounced as such) is certainly not responsible. You better pay attention to the comments of Forrest, Ch.c and Lord Augustus (mine too). Forrest and I have been exchanging info regarding this during the past 2 months. Only a very few people have the ability to forecast what is going to happen based on past and present data and a large majority is clueless and justifies with some idiotic explanations as why it happened. Good to hear from ya, though. Hope in the Arctic Hell of yours, the ice is not melting. :D - João da Silva Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:44:12 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/10282/1/#pc_18519 The rains that devastated 30 towns in the southern Brazilian state of Santa Catarina could be an early consequence of global warming, a climatologist from the Brazilian National Institute for Space Research (INPE) said Friday. At least 99 people died and 80,000 had to be evacuated because of the rains and subsequent flooding. Santa Catarina was hit by a hurricane in 2004 and is frequently affected by tornadoes. Climatologist Carlos Nobre told Globo TV that heavy, persistent rains in southern Brazil usually coincide with the climate phenomenon known as El Nino, which warms up the Pacific Ocean. However, this was not the case this year. "In the years when the El Nino phenomenon does not happen, like now, and there are very intense rains, their causes still remain mysterious for meteorology. It is already possible to start to identify some relationship with global warming, both in the increase of intense rain and in the drought in the south," he said. According to Nobre, southern Brazil is more vulnerable to climatic problems, as it is here that warm, humid air coming from the north converges with cold, dry masses from the south. Some experts noted that problems in southern Brazil could also be linked to deforestation in Amazonia. There has been an outpouring of support for the Santa Catarina victims, including donations from Brazilian Formula 1 driver Felipe Massa, former tennis world number one Gustavo Kuerten and several football teams. The Brazilian government provided 733 million dollars to help victims, while the state-owned Federal Economic Bank made available 657 million dollars in loans so that affected people could buy material for construction, home appliances and furniture. Two bank accounts opened by Santa Catarina state authorities to receive donations got 776.8 million dollars from anonymous donors across the country. - jon Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:04:49 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/10282/1/#pc_18518 [quote]JOAO was my last paper to long or sharp to the point of just pissing off the powers at be as it was never posted even when i cut it up into 3 parts you give it a try !!!!! [/quote] I could read the entire post without any problem. I am reproducing your comment as below: [quote]it was for told written by forrest allen brown, December 01, 2008 several weeks ago when the valcano went up in chile brasil was told that it would cause rain and a colder season . BUT as long as it did not hurt the rich nothing would be done about it . i even sent SIR JOAO pics of the whole thing .he understod what would happen but the powers at be thought what the heck no need to warn the people this si a lot less worse than huricane kartina and brasil cant even help the people WHAT IF BRASIL HAD THE OLIMPIC GAMES . AND SOME ONE PULLED A LNDA ATTIC ON THE GAMES WHAT TO DO[/quote] Was it that you wrote? If not, I suggest you e-mail me your comments, copy the same and post it in the site. I will compare your original post with the the one I receive through e-mail. I still think there is a problem with your browser. Lets check it out. It does not require the help of Bill Gates nor any Sorbonne graduate to fix it. :D - João da Silva Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:38:16 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/10282/1/#pc_18517 After massive volcunic eruptions (depending on how massive), the increase in clouds & particles actually reduce the temperature. Globally the temperature keeps on risingand the hotest years 17 of the past 20 years (perhaps just 15 or 16) were the HOTEST years ever recorded. Of course this record keeping started in the end of the 19th century, so we do not have a lot of data. You are correct by stating the the planet's temperature has risen & fallen repeatedly accross earth's 4.6 billion years of existence. Yet, as you probably know the process is rather slow... In addition, the periods of relative rapid rise in temperature tend to be followed by sharp decreseses and the onset of yet another ice age (there has been several - but 2 of these one about 2.8 bllion and the other about 650 million years ago were so massive that the entire planet was frozen - the process called SNOW BALL EARTH - at the end of EACH ONE OF which singificant evolutionary jumps in life have occurred...) too much information, I'm just fascinated by this kind of subject. Earth has overcome so many major changes in climate, orbit, axis angle, astoroid impact - YOU NAME IT.... The most interesting part is that the cataclysmic event which wiped out the dinos about 65 million years ago is a picnic (since only 65% of all life was eliminated) compared to A MUCH WORSE CATLACLYSMIC EVENT WHICH OCCURRED ABOUT 250 MILLION YEARS AGO which destroyed 98% - 98%!!!!!!! of all life.... just think about it.... - Augustus Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:18:23 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/10282/1/#pc_18516 Let me be more clear on Global Warming : Proven that during the last decade...the world annual average temperature is DOWN...NOT UP despite the world higher industrial output !!!!! And that is why some "experts" changed from Global Warming warnings to...CLIMATE CHANGE...without being more specific ! It seems ridiculous ! Yess...the ones still pretending and mixing up everything ! Planet Earth already had in the past warming and cooling periods...well before man produced the first car or the first oil usage ! And even on a far greater scale UP OR DOWN than today ! But I dont criticize them too much either. Because it is a great opportunity to create not only better products, but this create new jobs by the millions and millions the world over ! And hundreds of billions US$ are directly already invested yearly...if we count all products made by humans ! LYING FEARS are not always negative after all. - ch.c. Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:56:27 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/10282/1/#pc_18511 when you ask poor people to give they havbe to look at what they have . and what they give , not to deplet there food money or put themselves out and another one is the press in brasil did not cover it they more like covered it up until it got out of hand , then and only then did it become the news . JOAO was my last paper to long or sharp to the point of just pissing off the powers at be as it was never posted even when i cut it up into 3 parts you give it a try !!!!! the out look is the valcano in chillie and columbia will have some thing to do with the weather for some time and if the one in columbia goes off instead of just smokeing i was in geridot columbia when thew last one went off blew the hole top off and made a saddle back out of itself . the melting snow and rain buried hundreds of people and homes some have never been found - forrest allen brown Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:26:26 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/10282/1/#pc_18508 As a result 1816 is know as the YEAR WITHOUT SUMMER FOR EUROPE & NORTH AMERICA (Snow registered in august) - famine evertywhere)... It is funny that you mentioned this. We have a sharp tongued Meteorologist who, when asked by a reporter if this phenomenon was caused by "Global Warming", said "No. It is called by Global Cooling". He is predicting a very short summer with plenty of rains followed by months of drought, at least in the South. - João da Silva Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:55:52 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/10282/1/#pc_18507 Yesss it is ! Just a memory refresh : DO BRAZILIANS RECALL HOW THEY CRICITIZED BOTH BUSH IN PARTICULAR AND AMERICANS IN GENERAL AFTER THE KATARINA HURRICANE ??????????????????????????????????????? And a hurricane and dam breakage are much more violent than continuing and endless rains...especially in the intensity ! Wellll.....when did Robin the Crook PAID his first visit to Santa Catarina ? Just re-read the above stated SMALL OVERALL donations....months after the floodings started to have devastative results !!!! When did the Brazilian Governments started to act ? When did the Brazilian Army started to intervene ?????? Lets face it, Brazil is doing very very very very very little for Santa Catarina ....when compared to what Americans have done for New Orleans after KATARINA !!!!! AS USUAL....Brazilians have as it fit them...A SHORT MEMORY....ON PURPOSE ! Who could prove me wrong ? Please do...in a very objective way ....if possible ! Americans individuals and corporations donated BILLIONS OF US$ ! Thus far....Brazilians "Donations for the flood victims have already surpassed 3.5 million Brazilian reais (US$ 1.52 million)" You should underline the....ALREADY SURPASSED.......as if it was AN ENORMOUS GESTURE OF GENEROSITY AND SOLIDARITY !!!!! Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaa......US$ 1,5 million ALREADY SURPASSED !!!!!! This truly show the generous NATURAL Brazilians souls ! NOT EVEN....ONE CENT...PER CAPITA...THUS FAR ! IMPRESSIVE...ISNT IT ?????? - ch.c. Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:31:41 +0100