Comments for Brazilian Air Controllers Want Militaries Out and Dozens of New Staff at http://www.brazzilmag.com , comment 0 to 14 out of 14 comments http://www.brazzilmag.com Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:09:50 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.2 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/7462/1/#pc_5220 There you are again! Your funny. - Oy! Fri, 03 Nov 2006 21:01:13 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/7462/1/#pc_5218 " and gradualy they will also start feeling that several people on the site, and only 1 person using several name." KKK they started finding you are the same as chick!! kkkk - claudia Fri, 03 Nov 2006 20:47:40 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/7462/1/#pc_5217 I think Rightto and Ch.c are the same person. Baiting everyone to respond. Eat Bananas in the Amazon? Backyard of the world? Hey there's the real show. watching this moron have a two sided conversation with himself to get a response. - Oy! Fri, 03 Nov 2006 20:39:03 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/7462/1/#pc_5215 Right to what? Your a knucklehead on every posting I see you on. Your the Lunacy that reasonable people are speaking of. And your English sucks. Ha Ha...Ch.c, Rightto is baiting everyone to respond to him. Just ignore him. He can't speak intelligently anyway so whats the point of even engaging him. Malouca! - I Love Brazil Fri, 03 Nov 2006 20:07:58 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/7462/1/#pc_5209 ....just read again ALL the contradictions in the news article : - how can the 500 civil ATCs WANT ALL the military ATCs (2700) be replaced with only a few dozens of new civilian ATCs ????? laugh...laugh ! - How can the ATC stay ONLY around 5 years before they resign, for reasons described, and still be a higher number than 25 years ago..... AND .the apparent last examination WAS 20 YEARS AGO ????????? Strange...isnt it ? Why in Brazil 2 + 2 never equals 4.....in their more than "curious" explanations and basic maths ! Well, that is how Brazilians are educated, they just tell lies that cannot be reconciled if one has the basic common sense and education of knowing that 2 + 2 = 4 !!!!!!!!!! - ch.c. Fri, 03 Nov 2006 18:03:29 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/7462/1/#pc_5206 FUNNY YOUR STATEMENT : Come on we have a fresh bone here u tommy ..sammy.. !!!! Why dont you re-read the Brazilian news, comments and accusations starting from day 2 or 3 after the plane crash ?????? All the attacks from Brazil...and NOT the otherway around ! Brazil is really full of junkies, educated less than baboons. Stay in your Amazon and eat Bananas, that is the only thing you do well. You hate America...but you all dream to be there....even illegally ! Worse....you even pay lots of US$ for brazilians who can smuggle you there ! Now tell me, how many Americans are illegally in Brazil......to find a good paying job ??????? 2 or 3 millions like the estimated number of illegal brazilians....in the USA !!!!!!!! Laugh....laugh....laugh ! You really are the backyard of the world : Brazil has ONLY 10,5 % of students with University degree ! And probably this can be bought....for 100 Reais....in supermarkets or be won in lotteries ! Exporting basic commodities such as iron ore, cattles or grains doesnt need a lot of brains or education ! You dont even are able to produce a car with brazilian technology.....all car plants being Foreigners with their own investments AND TECHNOLOGY !!!!!!!!! Be proud to be so mentally retarded ! - ch.c. Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:46:12 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/7462/1/#pc_5204 ...either you are too young and you dont know the details, either you are old enough and your memory is deficient. When the US ATC went on strike in the 80's, Reagan FIRED THEM ALL AND PLANES CONTROLS WERE MADE BY THE MILITARY !!!!!!!!! Furthermore, they were given a deadline to go back to work and after the dealine if the ATC did not show up at work, they did not have their previous job guaranteed and had to re-apply !!! Straight and simple ! Eventually this is what the Brazilian government should consider ! The problem was solved once and for all...even to this day. Unfortunately it is quite obvious that what the Brazilian ATC do actually is directly related to the plane crash....to put pressure and find excuses for their errors ! They are diverting the attention to get some leniency....while such leniency was not provided to the US pilots.The US pilots were simply accused openly...time and time again, by every Brazilian citizen and many Brazilians officials. ALL SAID : WHOEVER IS GUILTY MUST BE PUNISHED AND FACE OF UP TO 20 YEARS IN PRISON FOR INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER !!!!!!! NOW STAND UP TO YOUR WORD, LAWS AND JUSTICE.....REGARDLESS OF THE NATIONALITY OF THOSE GUILTY ! Just recently, a Cleveland. court put a 38 years old U.S. citizen in jail for 65 years without the right to parole for having raped a Brazilian au pair girl ! (the girl was not physically injured and did not die either) This is Justice ! Now it is up to Brazil to show that they do not have a multi speed Justice and laws.....depending of the nationality of those who commited whatever error that justify to be found guilty of Involuntary Manslaughter !!!! Simple ! And every thing that will come out differently from what would have happened, had the US pilots been responsible, is simply INJUSTICE......ONCE MORE ! - ch.c. Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:09:02 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/7462/1/#pc_5162 While international rules require that each controller be responsible for up to 14 planes at the same time, according to Jorge Nunes, president of the Air Traffic Controllers Association of Rio de Janeiro, before the September 29 collision between the Boeing 737 and the Legacy jet, which left 154 dead, each controller was handling between 16 and 18 planes, simultaneously. We had the same problem in the USA back in 1980's. Too much work not enough people. The controlers went on Strike, they slowed down, called in sick also. They placed the public in more danger, presedent Reagan fired all striking controlers. We survived, it was hard and very emotional, but some one did what had to be done. Lets hope Brazil has some one willing to take contorol and fix the problem. Those who can do, those who can not, talk about it. - JAY Thu, 02 Nov 2006 10:24:09 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/7462/1/#pc_5160 In the begining of the show there seem to be some polite barking...though dont worry readers....the north americans will live to their reputation and soon start fireworks..... Tommy...Sammy....here.....jump...... - Righto Thu, 02 Nov 2006 10:09:00 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/7462/1/#pc_5159 Here’s an interesting article published today. For those that don’t speak Portuguese, I’ve decided to translate and summarize it given the dearth of timely English news on the matter. I’ve used quotes, where quotes appear in the original text. It is a journalistic piece citing a respected and influential paper (yes, they do exist in Brazil) and NOT the ranting of some overly medicated doctor looking for “imperialist bogeymen” (Dr. Lerer -** cough cough**). Note: I’ve not posted the original Folho article because it is a pay service. Title – Black Box reveals controller error say Newspaper According to the “Folha de Sao Paulo” [one of the most respected broadsheets in Brazil] the information contained in the Legacy’s black box confirms that the control tower from Sao Jose dos Campos authorized the American Pilots to fly at an altitude of 37,000 until their final destination of Manaus. Yesterday, Federal Police Chief Renato Sayão who is responsible for the criminal investigation declared that Aeronautica already knows what happened however have opted not to make an announcement because of “national Security”. In a dialogue between Lepore and the tower from Sao Jose dos Campos, the pilot asks for permission to take-off during a procedure called “clearance”. The tower gives the authorization and says, clearly, that Lepore should fly to 37,000 feet “until the airport Eduardo Gomes” in Manaus. ------- (original artcle here - http://noticias.terra.com.br/brasil/interna/0,,OI1226070-EI7792,00.html) So here we have new little piece of information, coupled with the fact that air traffic Controllers all throughout Brazil are on a “work to rule” citing “safety problems”. Ya think? An added shot in the foot is that 10 AT controllers working the day of the accident whom should have been questioned from the get-go have a doctor’s note excusing them from talking with investigators. The investigation has gone secret and now concerns are over “National security”? Things that make you go hmmmmmm. For my caustic and aggressive Brazilian brethren this is not an issue of bashing Brazil as so many cry. It’s about transparency and FAIRNESS. For the true knuckle-dragging Che Guevera t-shirt wearing Brazilian “imperialist YANK haters”, put down the robe, and back away from the tree. It looks like there will be no lynching this time around and you´ll need another issue to kick start your revolution Quinta, 2 de novembro de 2006, 04h31 Atualizada às 05h17 Caixa-preta revela erro do controle, diz jornal Segundo reportagem do jornal Folha de S.Paulo, a análise da caixa-preta do jato Legacy, sob a responsabilidade do (Centro Nacional de Investigação e Prevenção de Acidentes Aeronáuticos), revela que a torre de controle de vôos de São José dos Campos (SP) autorizou os pilotos Joe Lepore e Jean Paladino a voar a 37 mil pés de altitude. De acordo com os diálogos revelados pelo jornal, os controladores autorizaram o avião a manter a altitude até o destino final, em Manaus, enquanto o plano de vôo previa a descida do Legacy para 36 mil pés quando sobrevoasse Brasília e subida para 38 mil pés a partir do ponto Teres (localizado a 480 km de Brasília), até a capital amazonense. Com a orientação errada, o jato teria se mantido todo o tempo a 37 mil pés e entrado em rota de colisão com o Boeing da Gol, que caiu após bater no Legacy, matando todos seus 154 ocupantes. Ontem, o delegado da Polícia Federal (PF) Renato Sayão, responsável pelas investigações sobre o acidente em Cuiabá, no Mato Grosso, declarou que a corporação e a Aeronáutica já sabem o que aconteceu no espaço aéreo no momento da colisão, com base na análise da caixa-preta. Porém disse que não se pronunciaria a respeito por uma questão de "segurança nacional". No diálogo entre Lepore e a torre de São José dos Campos, o piloto pede autorização para decolar, durante o procedimento chamado de "clearance". A torre dá a autorização e diz, claramente, que Lepore deve subir para 37 mil pés "até o aeroporto Eduardo Gomes", de Manaus. - ex pat Thu, 02 Nov 2006 10:08:59 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/7462/1/#pc_5158 Haha as easy it americans find it to blame the whole world for everything that is bad going on. And everything that is good going on is because of americans. I suppose americans should soon find a new planet, and start living there, probably this earth will the be reduced of 90% of enemity and bad mouthing. Less weapons, etc..will be a direct bonus. The great american bone chewing show has just started. Soon these americans will start calling me idot, and useless, and gradualy they will also start feeling that several people on the site, and only 1 person using several name. So also they will in between say that how they live in sao paulo, and how much they are neutral in their comments, and how us is better... and so on...the jokes are soon the start..the show has just started...... the rest please take your chairs.... - Righto Thu, 02 Nov 2006 09:58:24 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/7462/1/#pc_5157 Having problems published is painful but in the end, beneficial. The difference between military control and civilian isn't always good versus evil, but subordinates in a military system generally have far fewer freedoms and face much more severe penalties. - Icann Rules Thu, 02 Nov 2006 09:55:42 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/7462/1/#pc_5155 There was talk that after the airline crashed the the controller were at sleep or not on duty. But Brazil jailed the airline pilots. Maybe the above atricle proofs who was really to fault. But of course its easy to blame the Americans for all of Brazil problems. - Bob Thu, 02 Nov 2006 08:50:13 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/7462/1/#pc_5154 I havent read the above article. But I am surprised the American stupids who visit here, havent yet reacted by saying: 1) Brasil is like this and like that,and good for nothing. 2) Usa is better.(No doubt the best) 3) They are not at fault in iraq, or anywhere. 4) The whole world is running and alive because of their charity. 5) The best is coming from Usa. 6) And so on? We all americans who are living in Brasil are doing a favor on Brasil by repetedly telling the brasilians how stupid they and their country is. Bark Bark woof woof... scratch scratch... Come on u americans.....start the show.... Come on we have a fresh bone here u tommy ..sammy.. - Righto Thu, 02 Nov 2006 07:47:03 +0100