Comments for Brazilian Congress Calls for Defense Minister's Head Following Airports' Chaos at http://www.brazzilmag.com , comment 0 to 6 out of 6 comments http://www.brazzilmag.com Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:29:44 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.2 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/7640/1/#pc_5887 - curiously, this was what I said for weeks already, and I was insulted in this forum ! Therefore I am glad to be the NOT SO IDIOT, afterall ! On the other hand, I find curious, but not surprised, that Brazilians have not yet linked the ATCs strike...to the plane tragedy ! Sadly enough there is a clear and obvious relation ! Funny too that some call what is happening now at the airports as the Worst Day In Brazil's aviation history....ALREADY forgetting the plane crash AND THE 154 VICTIMS ! I suppose that these politicians are more concerned about taking the airplanes for their next vacations and to fly in and out of Brasilia Senate and for them the plane crash is already history ! Obviously, No Brazilian posts members, will criticize these politicians to not think and share the pains of the families victims, as these same members told so many times to foreign members of this site ! Simple demonstration of how idiots are many Brazilians on this site ! A true bunch of junkies without common sense...in their arguments ! - ch.c. Thu, 07 Dec 2006 22:07:47 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/7640/1/#pc_5878 Good point. Maybe the real reason the pilots were kept sequestered, was to keep the investigation (or lack there of) out of the news till after the election. - Teena Thu, 07 Dec 2006 13:11:25 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/7640/1/#pc_5877 First, politicians are prime users of airlines here in Brazil. Their ox is the one being gored, and they will get this fixed, to the extent that it can be through money and legislation. Second, there are many airports here in Brazil that have a tower, ground control, and Infraero (the ones that collect the user fees) and yet have less than 10 percent of the traffic of some uncontrolled airports in the U.S. (By uncontrolled I mean, nothing on the field except a unicom, but you still might be able to operate IFR thru Center). It may be that in these cases the issue is to control and monitor rather than simply separate air traffic. Third, I think it was Richard Collins that said years ago, if one insists that airlines fly schedules year round, business as usual, good weather and bad, you´re going to lose a plane once in a while. While weather was not evidently a factor in this case, fill the skies with complicated machines piloted by human beings and once in awhile one will fail to arrive at its destination. People who are not willing to accept that should not fly. - Rick Thu, 07 Dec 2006 11:57:31 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/7640/1/#pc_5868 Keith, what do other 1st world countries use? For example at Heathrow (LHR) they move 440 international flights per day from that one airport alone! That is as many international flights that Brazil has in one month. Strange situation and I live here in Brazil but this is the shame of the country at the moment. Does anyone know if any pilots working for international airlines traveling to Brazil are now worried about entering Brazilian airspace? Or leaving! - Stephen Thu, 07 Dec 2006 09:18:28 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/7640/1/#pc_5867 Not only should Pires step down, but there should be a formal CPI to investigate WHO knew WHAT and WHEN. Problems with ATC staff, black holes in communications etc, look now to have been known PRIOR to Lula’s landslide second vote (handed to him by an overwhelming number of simpletons) but were never mentioned. WHY? His campaign director MUST have known that if the attention from the air 1907 disaster was rerouted to the entire Brazilian air system the week of the elections, chaos would reign (as it has). Would Lula have pushed through a second round IF people were stranded at airports, and knew they were lied to about the safety of Brazilian skies? Probably, again the majority of people here are simpletons. Lula is the “Teflon President” – nothing sticks to him, no matter how dirty and persistent. But his party may have lost even more KEY states and deputies – making it more difficult for Loopy-Lulinho and his merry band of thieves to rule. The Boeing 1907 investigation has been a sham from the start, and continues to be a blatant sham. The people of Brazil should be outraged and embarrassed with how this whole thing has unfolded. The victim’s families deserve REAL answers, and shouldn’t be used as political pawns. Even worse, if these problems were known in advance of the elections by political figures, and those political figures SAT on evidence or forced the Military investigation to keep “mum” until the elections were done (remember the line about “NATIONAL SECURITY”?) that would mean that the politicians in this country preferred to have Brazilians continue flying in unhealthy skies, than to inform them about the realities and possibly loose political points. CPI Now! - Gringo Thu, 07 Dec 2006 09:17:21 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/7640/1/#pc_5861 ATC, air traffic control, is based on 1920s procedures (shove them into tubes in the sky), using World War II transponders, updated with 1960s integrated circuit technology, operated manually (by people). It can’t handle the traffic. The deal about "work to rule" is where "rule" doesn't mean "take over and run"; it means "work in accordance with the international rules". See, if we followed the rules, that were established to ensure safety, then we can't move the traffic. Now, if somebody gets "uppity" about we killed an airplane, then we'll defend ourselves by strictly following the rules. That will, unfortunately, mean that not much moves, however... And that means that normal operating procedures are unsafe, relatively... Now, there is better technology, TailLight, which provides complete situational awareness. But, see, that is new technology (and new is very bad in aviation). Besides, it was meant as an augmentation to ATCRBS, but there is the severe danger that it could REPLACE manually operated problematic ground radar based air traffic control. - Keith Peshak Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:11:04 +0100