British Officers Who Killed Brazilian by Mistake Won't Be Punished

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Wed, 23 May 2007 03:41:12 +0100

Couldn´t have been too subtle or you wouldn´t have picked up on it. - Ric

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Sun, 20 May 2007 15:02:32 +0100

One aspect of this *intended* killing of JC de Menezes (not a mistake as claimed) which is overlooked is that it was carried out by British police ...the same police who work for the same government who strut around the world telling other governments how to run their countries and societies, and if they don't bend over they are quickly invaded and deposed. We know that Brazilian police and death squads are responsible for murdering many Brazilians each year - and that is appalling - but I can't remember the last time any Brazilian politician came to London to give us advice to the public liar Tony Baloney Blair on how to run government. There is a subtle irony in all of this. - hummingbird

Abe Razillion Frother...

Wed, 16 May 2007 09:38:58 +0100

it's laughable when you try and debate with Pinga, you show your true ignorance. - bo

João Pinga

Wed, 16 May 2007 03:12:56 +0100

You aren't capable of producing any rational argument, so fuck you! I don't recognize you as a worthy opponent in this debate. - A brazilian

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Tue, 15 May 2007 22:49:59 +0100

I cited the atomic bombs as a reference to your classification of brazilians as "savages". I showed you, and you didn't see it due to your lack of cognitive skills, that there are far greater savages out there, especially the so called "First World" nations, who would not hesitate in committing mass murder. Are you capable of contextualizing information? Who the f**k cares where you are from? CLASSIC. No need for further comment. Just Brilliant! - João Pinga

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Tue, 15 May 2007 22:31:50 +0100

After all your frothing at the mouth hysterics, you obviously missed a crucial point. Let´s replay….. I will give you a hint: the topic you brought up was about brazilians being savages No, A Brazilian, you retarded monosynaptic knuckle-dragging single celled evolutionary rejected fool…I did not bring up a topic, I said: [i] "You see A Brazilian, this is why you and your ilk will forever be considered barbaric savages."[/i] I´ll repeat: "You and your ILK". I didn’t say Brazilians were as such, I said you and your ILK. Meaning, and I’L L W R I T E R E A L L Y S L O W L Y H E R E: P E O P L E W H O T H I N K L I K E Y O U. Did that sink through you doyenne insecure Lilliputian? Sycophant to the growing group of the disheveled and disenfranchised? Grow a pair for Christ sakes. At the very least, give your skin some sun-down time so it can thicken up. YOU ARE DUMB! You are worst kind of stupid, because you not only don't know you are stupid, but also think of yourself as awesomely gifted. YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THE F**KING TEXT This is my favorite paragraph. I like the texture and tone of “you are dumb”. It’s better with your bold highlights, but sorry, far be it for a mere hack of the English language to elicit such profound intense wisdom into three simple words. Poetic brilliance. I think you captured something quit elegant there. So, 111 dead. Big deal, eh! - João Pinga

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Tue, 15 May 2007 22:01:08 +0100

Reading your text is like reading a drunken man attempting to walk on a straight line because you have no objectivity. And you seem to have a special taste for personal attacks when everything else fails, giving a hint about the lowliness of your character. I cited the atomic bombs as a reference to your classification of brazilians as "savages". I showed you, and you didn't see it due to your lack of cognitive skills, that there are far greater savages out there, especially the so called "First World" nations, who would not hesitate in committing mass murder. Are you capable of contextualizing information? Who the fuck cares where you are from? Why would I cite atomic bombs released by the US when the subject was about England if it weren't for making a point greater than "mine is better than yours"? You can't even understand what is written! Those criminals you defend kill and destroy lives as if it were nothing. Would you forgive Osama Bin Laden if he accepted your preaching about the value of the human life? They MUST pay for what they did, and for some jail is too bland of a punishment. Back to the subject means including a diatribe on Iraq? You crack me up Curious George!. YOU ARE DUMB! You are worst kind of stupid, because you not only don't know you are stupid, but also think of yourself as awesomely gifted. YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THE FUCKING TEXT! I will give you a hint: the topic you brought up was about brazilians being savages, and I proved who the real savages are. Pay attention to the word "civilized". I can't do more than that, you should really complain to your mother, for not having selected a partner who could pass you better genes. - A brazilian

correction

Tue, 15 May 2007 21:17:00 +0100

who should and who should not be executed Should read WHOM should and WHOM should not. My bad. But while I´m here. A Brazilian you ignorant slut... - João Pinga

A response to our monobrow brainiac

Tue, 15 May 2007 21:13:35 +0100

For the "civilized" people like you only after a couple of nuclear bombs are dropped somewhere full of civilians and hundreds of thousands of women and children… What are you on about? I’m a proud maple syrup eating, dog-sled racing, hockey playing, igloo living well educated “Hoser” from the Canadian north (EH!), and I have nothing to do with nuclear bombs dropped on kids or women and whatever else you were rabbiting on about like a madman. Save your insecure treasure-trove of anti-American one-liners for Billy-Bob and his X-tian crusaders you beach educated monobrow simpleton. [quote] They didn't ask anything, they just shot! Give up trying to justify the injustifiable![/quote] I’m not justifying anything you illiterate fool. You’re the one that thinks it is AOK for police to summarily execute 111 individuals, including LUCAS, who was just a thief and slated to be released the next day. I knew you didn’t know any details about Carandiru. You just saw blood shed in Brazil, shrugged, and went about your business picking up beer cans from the street. Now I know why Brazil is such a violent country. Folks like you don’t value life at all here, only lives lost abroad. Only Brazilians that have made it out of Brazil should be given a second thought, because I don’t see you shedding any tears for the 50,000 (your number) killed each and every year on Brazilian soil. That was my whole point, Poindexter. But rethinking it again, it is not that you valued Jean more, it’s that his death at the hands of gringos gives you a soapbox to point fingers at those that make you feel so inferior. Hmmmmm. I’m sorry about what happened to Jean, really I am, and I don’t know how many times I have to say this here, but I am also saddened over many other Brazilian deaths, which you are not. The fact that you seem to have developed a litmus test for who should and who should not be executed (you seem to think executing SCUM is a fine marker) what is to stop others from doing the same only moving your marker a tad here or there? There are already posters here saying “fuck him, he was illegal – big deal” that sounds a lot like a harsher version of “fuck them, they were scum, big deal”. Get my point? Stupid question I know. Of course you don’t. Since Jean’s death 2 years ago over 100,000 (a simple calculation really) Brazilians have been killed in your lovely land of samba, but you seem to think that’s just fine and there is no reason for concern. And you call other people pathetic? That’s just rich. But, back to the subject, how giving eight shots in the head of a random stranger is "civilized", a stranger that wasn't wearing nor doing anything suspect? For those that kill by the thousands innocent people, just like the "surgical strikes" in Iraq, that hit almost everyone but Saddam's forces (what a piece of crap of technology was that!?), that even may seem reasonable. Back to the subject means including a diatribe on Iraq? You crack me up Curious George!. I am light years ahead from your capability of understanding. You’re dumber than a box of hammers, Poindexter, and everyone here knows it. - João Pinga

João Pinga

Tue, 15 May 2007 18:28:44 +0100

Pathethic, several times pathetic. For the "civilized" people like you only after a couple of nuclear bombs are dropped somewhere full of civilians and hundreds of thousands of women and children are killed then, and only then, you will be considered "civilized". I heard Iran is almost reaching your level of "civilization", let's just hope they drop a couple of bombs on Israel and then they will be just as civilized as you. But, back to the subject, how giving eight shots in the head of a random stranger is "civilized", a stranger that wasn't wearing nor doing anything suspect? For those that kill by the thousands innocent people, just like the "surgical strikes" in Iraq, that hit almost everyone but Saddam's forces (what a piece of crap of technology was that!?), that even may seem reasonable. They were criminals in Carandiru, and they do what they do because they know idiots like you will argue later they shouldn't be harmed. The criminals kill without thinking twice, and when the police does something they should be doing for far longer they are "savages". Fuck you! Go defend peace to Osama Bin Laden and see if you will be successful! You are an idiot, the Lucas case was done by some criminals, mentally deranged individuals, just like those from Carandiru. What the hell does it have to do with the police shooting strangers just because they felt like doing it? I am light years ahead from your capability of understanding. - A brazilian

They just shot!

Tue, 15 May 2007 18:14:04 +0100

They didn't ask anything, they just shot! Give up trying to justify the injustifiable! This was not some sick criminal, this was the police! - A brazilian

Job well done by British Security Forces

Tue, 15 May 2007 17:41:08 +0100

He was asked to stop!, .. he did not!!,... he was in the U.K. illegaly!!!...CASE CLOSED!!!!........ One more example , of why Illegal Aliens in the U.K., and the U.S.A. ,is a issue of utmost National Security!!!!!... - all american

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Tue, 15 May 2007 15:46:56 +0100

See the difference in the cases you cite and the English case. One is the police killing known criminals or killing innocent by accident when pursuing (illegally) known criminals, the other is the police executing people randomly. You see A Brazilian, this is why you and your ilk will forever be considered barbaric savages. You think the execution of 111 people is OK because they broke the law (as do many in your nation: 10 years no charges is proof enough). Sure, there could have been one or two murderers in the pile of bodies after the police went in shooting, however what about Lucas de Almeida? I bet you don´t know a single name of the deceased or their crimes. What a typical fucking IDIOT. I am very up to speed on the story of Carandiru, and the problems with prison rebellions that basically take place daily in Brazil. The world, for that matter, is pretty up to speed in general with Brazil’s penchant for outrageous violence. The French are certainly aware this year, the Church certainly knows what can happen to 73 year old nuns, and well, although we still don’t know the final body count yet I’m sure it will make a few headlines after your highly skillful police pull of out of Complexo do Alemao. And on and on and on and on. We know how violent Brazilian society is, and your nonchalant attitude to the execution of 111 individuals is proof-pudding enough that your society has become habituated to barbarity. You scream how Brazil is so horribly misunderstood and so loving in one breathe, and then spit of the graves of 111 men you can’t be bothered learning about during the next. What a model citizen you are. But who says what crimes warrant execution? “Lucas de Almeida”, the name I mentioned, above was in Carandiru for THEFT only, and scheduled to be released the day after what every government in the world has called a ‘Massacre”. It’s nice you wished him dead. Understanding well written text is part of what is expected from people willing to discuss. There was nothing well written in your text, it was a confusing jumble of meandering thoughts and froathing. It’s YOUR problem if your communications skills are wanting. - João Pinga

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Tue, 15 May 2007 14:51:18 +0100

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Tue, 15 May 2007 14:46:35 +0100

One can understand the sharp increase in anti-americanism after understanding what's going on inside brazil's own terrority and on/close to it's borders. You pathetic little loser, are you being advised by your wife still, the expert in Brazil? Let me tell you one thing, anti-americanism is on the rise on the whole world, because your president is a motherfucker. The whole world hates you and recently even Putin compared your politics to those of the third Reich. Anti-americanism is such an easy word in the mouth of a redneck, that distribute around as if it were candy, when he is confronted with the bad and ugly truth. If I were English and I would pray a lot because with that police, that has absolutely no clue of what it is doing, only God will be able to defend them. So that makes it OK for them to be summarily executed by the police? There's a huge difference in executing a random Joe walking down the street for no good reason and to execute convicted criminals that would kill you if they had the chance. If you had any idea of what you are talking about then you would know that those poor "prisoners" executed were in a rebellion, they had taken over the prison and had hostages. What a pity those demons were killed, right? Fuck you. Those bastards are better in hell. Understanding well written text is part of what is expected from people willing to discuss. If your cognitive abilities aren't up to the task then it's your problem. And how many have the police in the UK killed since João´s murder? How many have Brazilian police killed in the last two weeks? Everyone in the favelas are screaming that innocent community members are being killed, where are your crocodile tears for them? You don't know. You are just trying to impress the reader with random ideas without any data to back them up. Because you think that it happened in the first world, justice should... It should work! Just work! Are you so quick to brag about any little stupid thing, why did they fail so miserably? You are fed with stupidity from the media. Any little thing is used to "prove" how Brazil is bad and how the police is corrupt. And when something worse happens there it was just "an accident", nevermind, it's not important. If the same happened here, of a gringo being executed by the police and the justice refused to take measures against them, there would be a public outcry, a scandal of monumental proportions! It would the definitive proof there's no justice and blah, blah blah. Now, when it's in England... then it's ok. If they were half as good as you think they are probably this wouldn't have happened. Their "intelligence" must be worse and stupider than the american one. Stop believing in TV shows portraying them as intelligent heroes with the ultimate technology, I bet they are like a bunch of public employees who will need to fill out 5 forms in order to scratch their own asses. - A brazilian

A Brazilian

Tue, 15 May 2007 13:00:28 +0100

It's around 50.000 a year, not "hundreds of thousands". Where did you get this from? Actually, I meant to write hundreds AND thousands, but thanks for clearing it up for me. 50,000 was a helluva lot more than I had planned on writing. But not surprising. [quote]By your logic any brazilian can be killed anywhere in England and that will be ok because "in Brazil is much worse". One thing doesn't justify the other. They screwed up, so they should pay for it. Oh, they didn't? Why I don't see texts full of hate about some "lawless" land where people are killed just as if they were dogs and nothing is done about it? [/quote] I don’t understand what you are on about. Try to be clearer. Lawless? Dogs? Any Brazilian anywhere in UK? Please, rewrite that jumbled mess and next time try to make a point. Your example about Carandiru is ridiculous, because that was a prison full of drug dealers, murderers and other scum. So that makes it OK for them to be summarily executed by the police? Why even lock them up then? Why not after their sentencing shoot them on the spot and shrug it off? Your barbarity as “a Brazilian” is shinning through, Poindexter. As much as I too am repulsed by the “scum” as you so affectionately call those that control Brazil, shooting them on site like dogs doesn’t sit too well with me either. I strangely have this faith in society and humanity, although I must admit it is being tested and waning living in Brazil. It is understandable that Brazilians have a different attitude to barbaric and uncalled for acts of violence than most, given the realities in which your society has, albeit debatably, developed. I’m still trying to understand it. And I know you have no faith in the Justice system, because of what you have to go by in Brazil, so it is no wonder you think something even more sinister is a foot in the Jean Case. I get it. differently from the English case, and usually target known criminals. They don't make mega operations around some random Joe. And how many have the police in the UK killed since João´s murder? How many have Brazilian police killed in the last two weeks? Everyone in the favelas are screaming that innocent community members are being killed, where are your crocodile tears for them? That case was the evidence of the level of incompetence and lack of prepare of those policemen, the so called "First World". No, you are the one with the double standards. Because you think that it happened in the first world, justice should some how work differently than it does in Brazil and when it does (apologies made, millions of dollars exchanged), you’re then incensed because the actual legal decision wasn’t to your liking and you now think it is some evil gringo plot. I love Brazil, you can´t ask for a more surreal nation to poke fun at. - João Pinga

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Tue, 15 May 2007 10:16:17 +0100

[quote]... written by A brazilian, 2007-05-15 04:21:00 Where did you get this information from? It was proven through the cameras that he wasn't running or acting paranoid, he simply walked into the subway and paid for the ticket just like everyone else. The cop was completely retarded and only God knows why he thought he looked "suspicious". Death squads are a Rio problem, not a Brazil one. And the violence are located mostly in some areas. I have lived here all my life and never was robbed. Never. Get over this crap. [/quote] Ohhh, here we go again, it's Rio that has a crime problem, not Brazil, n'eh Baghdad?? http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/southpark.jpg - bo

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Tue, 15 May 2007 10:06:51 +0100

[quote]... written by A brazilian, 2007-05-15 04:21:00 And also, Menezes being on an expired visa and noticing people following him probably didn't help his behavior any. If/when he noticed he was being followed, and if he thought it was the police, this definitely could've have contributed to paranoid behavior. But at the end of the day it was a time of terrorist attacks in London, people were being murdered with bombs. Not quite the case here in brazil with death squads now is it? Where did you get this information from? It was proven through the cameras that he wasn't running or acting paranoid, he simply walked into the subway and paid for the ticket just like everyone else. The cop was completely retarded and only God knows why he thought he looked "suspicious". Death squads are a Rio problem, not a Brazil one. And the violence are located mostly in some areas. I have lived here all my life and never was robbed. Never. Get over this crap. [/quote] Maybe he looked suspicious because he lived in the same apartment building as the actual terrorists?? You should start reading about your (most) lawless region of brazil, Foz de Iguaçu. One can understand the sharp increase in anti-americanism after understanding what's going on inside brazil's own terrority and on/close to it's borders. http://video.msn.com/v/us/fv/msnbc/fv.htm??f=00&g=cbb0e64e-6288-4891-a139-3a956eb87753&p=hotvideo_m_edpicks&t=m5&rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17874369/&fg= - bo

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Tue, 15 May 2007 04:22:58 +0100

Then started making up stories that he was running, wearing heavy clothes and acting weird when in fact that was 100% invention and it was the extreme opposite. Incompetence in its purest form. - A brazilian

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Tue, 15 May 2007 04:21:00 +0100

And also, Menezes being on an expired visa and noticing people following him probably didn't help his behavior any. If/when he noticed he was being followed, and if he thought it was the police, this definitely could've have contributed to paranoid behavior. But at the end of the day it was a time of terrorist attacks in London, people were being murdered with bombs. Not quite the case here in brazil with death squads now is it? Where did you get this information from? It was proven through the cameras that he wasn't running or acting paranoid, he simply walked into the subway and paid for the ticket just like everyone else. The cop was completely retarded and only God knows why he thought he looked "suspicious". Death squads are a Rio problem, not a Brazil one. And the violence are located mostly in some areas. I have lived here all my life and never was robbed. Never. Get over this crap. - A brazilian