Comments for Shaken with Air Tragedy Brazil Tells the World to Mind Own Business at http://www.brazzilmag.com , comment 0 to 20 out of 25 comments http://www.brazzilmag.com Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:27:18 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.2 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8486/54/#pc_10344 Reverse thrust is not considered when determining landing distances in the US. The landing distance therefore is shorter when using reverse thrust, if it is available. The fact that the one thrust reverser was disabled would not be a factor in this crash. Unless upon landing the working one was used and asymmetrical reverse thrust caused the veering of the aircraft. The real factor by what I have read is the faster than normal approach speed of the Airbus. Many landing accidents occur because of a non stable approach, including higher than normal approach speeds. The FAA has considered reverse thrust use in some transport category such as later model Boeing 737’s but not for dispatch purposes. Instead it allowed a reverse thrust credit for enroute landing distances at the intended airport. However, the accident at Chicago Midway has made the FAA change its mind and issue a proposal for all Turbo Jet operators, not just 121 operators, to use an added 15% rule in determining landing distance at airports. Which for 135 operators and 91 as well who followed this rule it’s the wet runway requirement. The fact that the inoperative reverse thrust is continued to be an issue just shows that even the so called informed “aviation experts” posting are less than so. For an excellent article written about the Southwest Chicago Midway accident the Flight Safety Foundation has an article published in the December 2006 issue by Mark V. Rosenker. The link is as follow for the article http://www.flightsafety.org/asw/dec06/asw_dec06_p11-12.pdf - realgivp Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:33:14 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8486/54/#pc_10329 was that Jr. or Sr.? ;) - bo Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:32:13 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8486/54/#pc_10317 International help can be obtained for free. That's the problem. Suica see no profit in it so won't let anybody go there. - Simpleton Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:46:20 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8486/54/#pc_10306 Oh, the woman on our party line´s the nosiest thing She picks up my receiver when she knows it´s my ring Why don´t you mind your own business Mind your own business Well, if you mind your business, then you won´t be mindin´mine. Mindin´other people´s business seems to be high toned I got all that I can do just to mind my own Why don´t you mind your own business Mind your own business If you mind your own business, you´ll stay busy all the time. - Ric Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:36:59 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8486/54/#pc_10304 This is my boy! Bush should have reacted this way when the world critricized about Katrina. After all we are not offering help to solve the summer's passport mess in the US, are we? - Osvaldo Coelho Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:30:22 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8486/54/#pc_10302 The government must be supremely confident the Brasil will be awarded the World Cup no matter what the circumstances. All we have to hear is a little smoke about a Euro country trying to use the aviation problems to challenge Brasil's bid and we should know that the threat is pretty far along. - conceicao Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:34:55 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8486/54/#pc_10301 Authorities seem to be reckless, no one is taking responsibility over this very important issue, I would like to help BRAZIL on this, but the answer when I tried to speak to someone in ANAC was, we do not have CONCURSO available, all employment is through the government... Being an Ex-FAB , it must have been very difficult for you to swallow the insult when you contacted ANAC. Good that you left Brazil.Unfortunately, it has become very fashionable these days for our politicians to bash our Armed Forces and undermine their leadership. You are right,this is not the end,but beginning of a Tragic Saga.It could be quickly solved,not by ANAC,but by our FAB personnel,but I dont think the government is interested in giving free hand nor adequate resources to them. - O Velhinho Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:16:02 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8486/54/#pc_10300 Not to mention that, It is an act of irresponsibility of our AVIATION SAFETY SYSTEM, I am not here to blame anyone, SPECIALLY our President LULA, who got involved in this SAGA, that is obviously a LATENT problem since late 80's and not part of his presidency. No one is to be blamed, we have to keep in mind that BRAZIL HAS ALREADY A "BLAME CULTURE" and nothing gets done... Remember once at the beginning of this year I said! _This is not the end, this is just the beginning of our AIRSPACE TRAGEDIES" and unfortunately there will be more to come. Authorities seem to be reckless, no one is taking responsibility over this very important issue, I would like to help BRAZIL on this, but the answer when I tried to speak to someone in ANAC was, we do not have CONCURSO available, all employment is through the government... anyway, I do not wish to live in BRAZIL anymore, since I left the Airforce in Brazil, I am very happy to be in the USA and hopefully PROUDLY become a AMERICAN CITIZEN SOON. Come on Brazil, you have potential, give opportunities to people with international experience, hire efficient people to do the JOB. Sorry for the families who lost their loved ones. LCL Flight Safety Officer for an International Organization - brazeagle Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:18:08 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8486/54/#pc_10297 If Brazil does not want any help then WHY did they send the black box to the USA???? In the first send they send a piece of the engine and had to be told by the USA to send to correct black box. If they want to do it themselves then lets them stop tourist and all outsiders and let them kill their own people. - bob Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:54:06 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8486/54/#pc_10296 let people know not fly to SP only to RIO . STOP THE MONEY tell people not to fly from or over the amazon ,STOP THE MONEY if you want to make brasilians listentake away the money fly to Columbia, Mexico, Chili - forrest Brown Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:38:49 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8486/54/#pc_10294 kills. Brazil would rather lose 20,000 more citizens than accept international help. That in itself tells a lot. - bo Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:22:51 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8486/54/#pc_10293 [quote]Pereira, irritated. "Brazil doesn't need international help. They should look after their own air space and we will take care of ours." [/quote] Good ole Brig.Pereira is easily irritable,but a very friendly person.He doesnt approve of the behaviour of the civilian subordinates of his. He has that cutting sense of humor that many dont understand. The ole boy can easily subsitute Pires as the Minister of Defense. As for his comment on having enough duct tape,bailing wire ,chewing wire, etc; he is typical Airforce . There is a famous saying in Portuguese (Actually among the Brazilian Engineers) that says " Let the plane take off first and if there are problems later, we will repair during the flight. It really doesnt refer to aviation,but to new ideas. When a new idea is launched,dont question,but test it out and try to make it viable,by available resources (like duct tape,chewing gum,nail,etc). I dont know where the inspiration came from,but I think out of the movie "Apollo 13" So Good ole Pereira is not a clown,but a very serious guy. - O Velhinho Tue, 24 Jul 2007 01:59:36 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8486/54/#pc_10291 See O Velhinho, theres my lack of Brazilian history knowledge again. Thanks for the enlightenment... Gotta look this guy up now... - No Name Tue, 24 Jul 2007 01:37:52 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8486/54/#pc_10289 in europ the ATC let one russian plane run into another because they doing maintence on equipment . 3 years later a father stabed to death the person held to be the one responsable . so at that rate a brasilian would never killed as no one is responsable , but every one is incharge ? i guess if it is not on a beach more than half nude and drunk it is not considered a probluem - forrest Brown Tue, 24 Jul 2007 01:26:59 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8486/54/#pc_10288 Pereira, irritated. "Brazil doesn't need international help. They should look after their own air space and we will take care of ours." We have duct tape, Pereira said, plenty of it, adding that he had requisitioned enough bailing wire and chewing gum to fix anything. - aes Tue, 24 Jul 2007 00:23:58 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8486/54/#pc_10285 looks like Pereira is the Pires of this situation. Not really. Brig.Pereira is not certainly not in the same situation like Pires. He has sharp tongue and doesnt give a shit about Military haters like Pires or those two jerks who got the medals. The good Brigadier can easily retire and go and live in Angra or Cabo Frio. I like old Pereira.The dirty politics is new to him and the old coot would never be a politician. In the meantime, you just keep a watch if Pires is reading some good books on Strategic Defence to keep his job. - O Velhinho Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:10:39 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8486/54/#pc_10284 Jezebel´s 400 prophets of Baal cut their own flesh too, but it did them no good. - Ric Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:34:29 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8486/54/#pc_10283 looks like Pereira is the Pires of this situation. Cut your own flesh? Does that mean more innocent Brazilian people have to pay with their lives until Mr. Pereira and company "figure it out"? Well thats pretty insensitive! Interfere isn't what the international community wants to do, they want to HELP!. Just like Cuba did when Katrina hit New Orleans but we (the US) were stupid enough to turn them down because of pride. Don't make that same mistake! The plane can't brake and the culprit is the runway... he says sarcastically So the plane couldn't break (reverse thrusters), but it was allowed to fly anyway (problem #1).... into an airport with a notoriously short runway (problem #2)? Is that what you call cutting your own flesh? So yes the runway was the culprit as well "mr. absolutely no common sense" Pereira! They let a plane with a breaking problem fly in there, IN THE RAIN on an incomplete runway (grooves) with a drainage problem (problem #3)! And now he's offended that people are (how dare they) talking about it? AAAAAAAAA! >:( - No Name Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:12:47 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8486/54/#pc_10282 When the Airbus left the runway and veered left, it took out the concrete drainage ditch. At the present time it is raining on Congonhas and the whole side of the damaged hill is eroding, dirt and mud filling the street, which is now closed to traffic. Maintenance personnel plan to attempt to put a tarp over the landslide. It appears that the retaining wall was also damaged. Just when you think it can´t get curiouser, it does anyway. Will the whole hill give way? Will the wall fail? Will the main runway be reopened in the morning even if the drainage ditch is still unrepaired? Dunno. - Ric Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:53:13 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8486/54/#pc_10280 "there is no chance that the truth won't come to light." Of course there is a chance the truth wont come out, in fact it is a probability. if not a certainty the truth wont come out. - aes Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:53:32 +0100