Comments for While Market Sinks Lula Calls Brazil Industrious Ant Ready for Bad Weather at http://www.brazzilmag.com , comment 0 to 20 out of 37 comments http://www.brazzilmag.com Mon, 08 Sep 2008 00:20:44 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.2 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8576/54/#pc_10847 [quote]It takes a very long time for a super tanker to turn or to reach maximum speed, or to stop. None the less a super tanker is a vast economic entity. It takes time to build and master such a craft. One must begin with a competent captain, navigator, engineers, comunication staff, radio and sonar, as well as all the myriad other positions on such an economic ship of state as Brazil. As Brazilians come to understand what Brazil is relative to other nations they will begin to act appropriately and by consequence effectively. Such a ship of state is not easily mastered. [/quote] An apt analogy and the Brazilians will have to understand quickly in order not to miss the opportunities the globalized economy offer.Once we understand,we will know how to choos a good captain,officers and crew for the super tanker. I liked you positive note. That is the reason why I am against any form of press censorsip! btw, what happened to our friend "Professor"? Decided to abandon the Super Tanker and stay in Portugal? - João da Silva Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:57:35 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8576/54/#pc_10836 The purpose of my citing was to demonstrate that indeed statistics can be skewed to demonstrate any number of points. That the GDP of Brazil is very low is a given, but in understanding the greater reality of the economic state and prospects of Brazil I researched what the amounts of money Brazil was dealing with vis a vis all other countries. When a country is as large as Brazil both in mass and population its economic course may be made analogous to a super tanker and the economy of Switzerland to a ski boat. Though one may go faster the smaller craft is both easier to build and to drive. It takes a very long time for a super tanker to turn or to reach maximum speed, or to stop. None the less a super tanker is a vast economic entity. It takes time to build and master such a craft. One must begin with a competent captain, navigator, engineers, comunication staff, radio and sonar, as well as all the myriad other positions on such an economic ship of state as Brazil. As Brazilians come to understand what Brazil is relative to other nations they will begin to act appropriately and by consequence effectively. Such a ship of state is not easily mastered. - AES Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:55:11 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8576/54/#pc_10834 The world' largest economies: With all due respect to you, I must remind you that the ranking of the economies is very skewed. It doesnt really show the income distribution of the polpulation. I dont think that one can divide the GNP of a nation by the population and say that the country is doing well. For example, China, Brazil and India are ranked in the list. But look at the income distribution. All 3 countries have some who are getting richer everyday,the middle class getting screwed and poor remaining poor and (not complaining). Brazil has no business to be classified as "emerging nation". You know that we have large land and many natural resources more than that of China,India,Switzerland and many other countries listed. My question: Why the heck,are we still behind the developed nations? This is an interesting issue to be discussed. It appears that we have lost our balls since April 21,1985 and have gone back in centuries,when the noblemen from the court of Portugal came here to suck Brazil dry to take back their loots back to Lisbon. The defense of Brazil rests its case. Now, it is your turn to debate. - João da Silva Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:22:27 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8576/54/#pc_10833 It is interesting Ch.c that Brazil is ranked 8th and Switzerland is 18th. It is the size of the economy that is relevant nothing else, for all things come from that. Rank Country / Corporation GDP / sales ($mil) THE SIZE OF THE ECONOMY 1 United States 8,708,870.00 2 Japan 4,395,083.00 3 Germany 2,081,202.00 4 France 1,410,262.00 5 United Kingdom 1,373,612.00 6 Italy 1,149,958.00 7 China 1,149,814.00 8 Brazil 760,345.00 9 Canada 612,049.00 10 Spain 562,245.00 11 Mexico 474,951.00 12 India 459,765.00 13 Korea, Rep. 406,940.00 14 Australia 389,691.00 15 Netherlands 384,766.00 16 Russian Federation 375,345.00 17 Argentina 281,942.00 18 Switzerland 260,299.00 - AES Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:24:05 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8576/54/#pc_10832 [quote]No doubt in my mind that your then government took you for a big big big ride and how they smiled ! Because of course, with their own money, they smuggled it in safer places and safer currencies.....such as in NYC and Miami banks, and including swiss banks ! They even took for themselves......ALL the foreign currencies ! And Joao, I also remind you that by 1995.......SP state and many others were TOTALLY BANKRUPT ! And they had to have their debts taken over by the federal government. [/quote] You are right again and on the spot. The people like me have long memories .It is disgusting to observe that everytime a President,Governor or Mayor leaves the office, they leave a large debt . Of course, you must know that PT administration wiped out the coffers of RS also. Also,needless to remind you of all the bloody "Planos" after 1985 to stabilize the inflation rate and the money swallowed by the hyennas. Still, I think you are a Brazilian moved to Switzerland a long time ago ;D - João da Silva Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:20:28 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8576/54/#pc_10831 Cant you easily see that Switzerland ranks NUMBER ONE ??????????? - ch.c. Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:45:08 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8576/54/#pc_10830 They even took for themselves......ALL the foreign currencies....of your central bank and treasury dept ! After all they were not that idiots ! Just think of it ! :D - ch.c. Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:42:52 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8576/54/#pc_10829 No need to go that far ! Just look at what the price of your Brazilian Treasury bonds did....when you had hyper inflation years of well over 1000 % in the early 1980's ! No need of French "velhinhas" ! Every brazilian was a "velhinhas" ! No doubt in my mind that your then government took you for a big big big ride and how they smiled ! Because of course, with their own money, they smuggled it in safer places and safer currencies.....such as in NYC and Miami banks, and including swiss banks ! They even took for themselves......ALL the foreign currencies ! And Joao, I also remind you that by 1995.......SP state and many others were TOTALLY BANKRUPT ! And they had to have their debts taken over by the federal government. You see in Brazil they always find a quick solution : cut 3 zeros to the currency as I said, sometimes somewhat less. - ch.c. Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:38:12 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8576/54/#pc_10822 It was not on currency changes but ON Brazilian currencies changes ! I was talking about Brazilian Currencies and you were the one who raised this issue first and all I said was that your narration was 100% correct. btw, if you remember the story of the French "velhinhas" who invested in Brazilian Treasury bonds and lost all the money in the 1930s,narrate it also!! This may send the foreign investers fleeing BOVESPA ;D - João da Silva Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:01:59 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8576/54/#pc_10819 "your narration of the history of currency changes,cutting Zeros,etc; is 100% correct" It was not on currency changes but ON Brazilian currencies changes !!! Quite a difference. As to the Swiss Franc.......did you know that in the whole of the 20th century.......NOOOOO currency was stronger than the the Swiss Franc ???? True ! If you want a lesson or two also on currency stability for the very long term....just ask to Switzerland ! We beat you all, hands up, hands down, hands in the pocket and finger in the nose too !!!!! - ch.c. Mon, 20 Aug 2007 04:50:53 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8576/54/#pc_10818 You are great. Now do the maths on a per 100'000 capita !!!!!!! Laugh.....laugh.....laugh......laugh ! Talking about GDP , China and Brazil both have a far higher number than Switzerland. Still that doesnt make Chineses and Brazilians more wealthy than Swisses !!!!!! Otherwise China is also already for a long time more wealthy than Brazil, but not Chineses !!! I am waiting your maths on patents per 100'000 capita !!!!!! LAUGH........LAUGH......LAUGH !!!!!!! - ch.c. Mon, 20 Aug 2007 04:38:20 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8576/54/#pc_10817 Today your foreign exchange reserves stand at US$ 1000.- per capita ! Switzerland at US$ 6000.- per capita ! Ohhhh and if you believe that Brazil has 186 billion US$ reserves you are dead wrong because the amount is in several currencies. And if you have most of your reserves in US$ you just proved how bad your Treasury and Cemtral bank is. You were buyying a currency that depreciated almost on a weekly basis. Had you bought more Euros....by now you would have more US$ equivalent ! But idiots have not realized it .......yet !!!!!!! Brazil has everything in its ground nut nothing in its mind ! Switzerland has everythingin its mind but nothing in the ground. That is exactly what makes the difference between a poor developing country and a wealthy advanced country !!!!! You see Joao.....Japan is not any different than Switzerland ! This is what created their wealth ! It still remains that everyxthing in your ground is financed by foreign investors and not by Brazilians. You dont even have enough money to have a decent infrastructure, healthcare and education ! And as I said in a previous forum, Switzerland with a population of 7,5 millions export more on a total country basis than Brazil with a population of 186 millions. Thus if you want a lesson or two of how to export more.....ask to Switzerland and not to Brazilians. We have so much of nothing that we dont even have a sea access ! Interesting that in this case we can both export and import more than the "giant" Brazil !!!!!! On a per capita basis we beat you by a ratio of over 20 to 1 on both exports and imports !!!!!! And that is wether you like or not ! Continue to swim in your ocean of dungs ! We will continue to swim in our clean and developed country ! And that is too....wether you like or not ! - ch.c. Mon, 20 Aug 2007 04:25:59 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8576/54/#pc_10816 Number of PCT applications Percentage share of total United States of America 39,250 35.7 Japan 16,774 15.2 Germany 13,979 12.7 United Kingdom 6,090 5.5 France 4,723 4.3 Netherlands 4,180 3.8 Republic of Korea 2,947 2.7 Sweden 2,491 2.3 Switzerland and Liechtenstein 2,379 2.2 Canada 2,102 1.9 - AES Mon, 20 Aug 2007 03:33:03 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8576/54/#pc_10812 743. - Ric Mon, 20 Aug 2007 02:13:48 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8576/54/#pc_10809 [quote]In 2006, Switzerland registered 1388 patents with the US Patent Office, Brazil 148. [/quote] And China? - João da Silva Mon, 20 Aug 2007 01:17:46 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8576/54/#pc_10808 In 2006, Switzerland registered 1388 patents with the US Patent Office, Brazil 148. - Ric Mon, 20 Aug 2007 01:13:36 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8576/54/#pc_10807 [quote]If you have a chinese watch.....will see how long they last and how waterproof they are !!!!!! [/quote] The last time I looked into one with batteries, it didnt function. Didnt have to throw into the ocean to find out if it was water proof. [quote]Chinese watches are for the poorest brazilians while Rolex, Piaget, Breguet. etc etc etc are for the wealthiest on earth. [/quote] In spite of being a very poor Brazilian, I opted not to buy the Chinese watch. Rolex,Breguet,Omega,etc; are for our first family and their loyal followers. [quote]Everything we produce is of Swiss quality, meaning higher quality and higher price. [/quote] If I were you, I wouldnt be too sure about it. [quote]Even Brazilian bottled water produced by Nestlé in Brazil and sold to Brazilians command a higher than average selling price. [/quote] Menos,Menos....Here, you totally blew it. Just remember that Brazil is a huge country with lots of natural springs and especially the ones who live in the South can drink water off the fawcetts,really dont give a shit about the brand Nestlé. We do buy mineral water,based on price but not on brand name. If your rich banker friends want to buy Nestlé water,based on the brand name, it is their perrogative.The chocolates marketed under Nestlé brand is too sweet to the taste of poor Brazilians like my good self and kills the taste of Cacau. You might be surprised to hear that the best chocolate I have recently tasted is AMERICAN. Made by GHIRARDELLI in SF. Of course, you know that the chocolates can be made at home too, though cumbersome. [quote]Like the Chinese Prime Minister said a while ago publicly while in a tour in the EU : dont forget China must produce 800 millions pair of socks with low margins....to buy 1 Airbus !!!!!!! [/quote] The Chinese Prime Minister was very polite, trying to sell his socks and worthless watches and you are quoting him? I hope Rolex doesnt outsource watch manufacturing to PRC and sell them to "rich Arabs,Asians and Latin Americans". ch.c, you are very good in Stats about Brazil and I appreciate the info.But you have to understand that there are more intelligent Brazilians than the entire population of Switzerland in this world (considering the population of our country).I understand your effort to project the Brand name of "Switzerland" and say that it is the best in the world.But it demonstrates blind nationlism, which I think a smart guy like you should avoid (if at all you were born in Switzerland) - João da Silva Mon, 20 Aug 2007 01:04:50 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8576/54/#pc_10806 Brazil has more gold, diamonds, oil, platinum, copper, agricultural and more beef than Switzerland. You can put Switzerland in a small corner of Brazil. Brazil has infinite upward potential, Switzerland has reached its potential. Brazil can buy and sell Switzerland. Switzerland is thousands of years old Brazil buy hundreds. Brazil has a future Switzerland has a past. Switzerland is like a Swiss watch, much ado about nothing. It is a tedious bit of micro engineering that does nothing more than tell the time. The only music Switzerland has is the Alpine horn. Switzerland is a dying geriatric country that has reached the appex of its place in history, its complicity with Nazi Germany and is now in a state of decline. Switzerland is irrelevsnt, Ch.c just doesn't know it. Switzerland sells one Rolex for 10,000 and nets 2,500. China sells 100,000,000 socks with a net profit of $.50@ for a net profit of of $500,000. There are more people on the planet that want socks than Rolex watches. China has an aerospace industry that produces rockets capable of reaching Switzerland. The timing devices necessary to achieve such precision are equal to Rolex, Piaget, or Baume Mercier. How many people in Switzerland own a Rolex. How many people in the world own a pair of Chinese socks. You buy a Rolex watch once in your life. You buy socks thoughout your life. - AES Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:46:46 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8576/54/#pc_10803 If you have a chinese watch.....will see how long they last and how waterproof they are !!!!!! Keep in mind too that Chinese watches dont compete at all with Swiss watches. Chinese watches are for the poorest brazilians while Rolex, Piaget, Breguet. etc etc etc are for the wealthiest on earth. Try to sell a Chinese watch to a wealthy Arab, Asian, or Latin American, he will throw you out of the window ! Everything we produce is of Swiss quality, meaning higher quality and higher price. Even Brazilian bottled water produced by Nestlé in Brazil and sold to Brazilians command a higher than average selling price. We dont produce as Brazil does in agriculture and China in cheap goods with low added value. End results ? Look at the wealth per capita in China, Brazil and Switzerland. It is not quantity but quality that has a higher margin. Just think of how many tons of soyabeans Brazil has to sell for the equivalent of one Rolex ! Just think of how many tons of sugarcane Brazil has to produce (around US$ 20.- per ton, price paid to farmers) for the equivalent of one Piaget, more expensive than Rolexes !!! And worse yet : just think of the average wage of a Brazilian sugarcane worker, and the average wage of a even non skilled worker in watches manufacturing plants. Ratio ? At least 15 to 1 ! And with 50 times less sweat !!!!!! Just for your info....brazilians idiots.....a non skilled worker at Rolex earns Swiss Francs 4200.- / 4500.-per month as a starting salary ! True if you dont mind ! Or more than 6500.- BRL despite your recent currency appreciation !!!!! Better yet, not only Rolex still makes tons of profits but they have a workers shortage.....so high is the demand worldwide ! They have no reason to reduce the price by 50 % like your sugar price did in the last 18 months !!!!!! Hey hey........Brazilians will remain idiots for another several centuries. Continue producing your sugarcane, and we will continue our high end watches so much in demand ! In my view you should even triple your ethanol production, so that it will finally compete with oil !!!!!! Like the Chinese Prime Minister said a while ago publicly while in a tour in the EU : dont forget China must produce 800 millions pair of socks with low margins....to buy 1 Airbus !!!!!!! Similar comments are appropriate for what Brazil produces amd what Switzerland produces as stated earlier !!!!! - ch.c. Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:31:07 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8576/54/#pc_10801 Please just name ONE currency that fell more than the Brazilian currency against the US$ ...in the recent small U.S. crisis !!!!! The currency of the validity of your perception. The Real has increased in value 'in the recent small U.S. crisis'. The Brazilian government had the intelligence to buy enormous reserves of dollars. When the Real falls in value the reserves increase in value. Criticism of current Brazilian global market positions is flawed. References to previous Brazilian economies is equivalent to comparing the current Chinese economy with the Chinese economy of 1989. Your reasoning is specious. There is a phenomenon of economic critical mass. Events prior to this event are not the same as those after. The events are not linear, but quantum. Ch.c looks to the past to ascertain the present, but lacks the resources to perceive it. Ch.c's perception is provincial. It is a flawed perception that fails to incorporate into his calculus the differences between all other previous economies and the current economy. - AES Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:51:16 +0100