Comments for How Brazil's Northeast Fits into Plan of Fueling World with Ethanol at http://www.brazzilmag.com , comment 0 to 7 out of 7 comments http://www.brazzilmag.com Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:22:16 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.2 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8780/54/#pc_11697 [quote]Joao, just read how Rio Doce is having trouble siting an aluminum smelter in Brasil primarily due to infrastructure and permitting issues. Seems to underscore again the notion that Brasil has everything it needs in terms of capital, technology and people in strategic areas of the economy where the only thing holding progress back is an unresponsive public sector.[/quote] If Rio Doce is having such problems, imagine the plight of small and medium sized businesses! The public sector is in ICU and unlikely to respond anytime soon!! - João da Silva Sat, 20 Oct 2007 11:45:20 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8780/54/#pc_11695 Joao, just read how Rio Doce is having trouble siting an aluminum smelter in Brasil primarily due to infrastructure and permitting issues. Seems to underscore again the notion that Brasil has everything it needs in terms of capital, technology and people in strategic areas of the economy where the only thing holding progress back is an unresponsive public sector. Similarly read that Brasil ranks dead last in a survey of 178 countries in terms of time required for tax code compliance by businesses - 2600 hours on average - same problem I guess. - conceicao Sat, 20 Oct 2007 00:00:11 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8780/54/#pc_11693 [quote]Under this scenario, it looks like everything could be done with limited foreign input even using Ch.c's numbers.[/quote] What do you think, Ch.C ? Give us a feed back, please. Conceição, the problem is not the money needed to build our infrastructure, but the misuse of the cash generated. If we put our act to gether, there will be plenty of investors from U.S. and Europe, like in the late 60´s and the 70´s. - João da Silva Fri, 19 Oct 2007 22:40:40 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8780/54/#pc_11691 If the tariff were dropped and Brasilian ethanol exports ramped to 10 billion gallons annually with a 25% profit margin on sales at the current U.S. price of around $1.65 per gallon, Brasil would have $4 billion U.S. annually to reinvest in the industry. Under this scenario, it looks like everything could be done with limited foreign input even using Ch.c's numbers. Feel free to improve upon these numbers or provide better data. I have a 4/17/07 Wall Street Journal article projecting 2007 Brasilian ethanol exports a 2 billion gallons, while the article above seems to contemplate a much lower level of current exports - around 700 million gallons I think. - conceicao Fri, 19 Oct 2007 22:23:24 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8780/54/#pc_11689 [quote]no one in Brazil knows how to use a basic spread sheet...to do some forward predictions. [/quote] I disagree. I used to know how to use it (and still do) :D - João da Silva Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:36:54 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8780/54/#pc_11688 [quote]Whatever way you look at it, whatever original Brazilian official source it comes from, one thing is sure, it is that no one in Brazil knows how to use a basic spread sheet...to do some forward predictions. [/quote] I am very curious. Are you an Economist or an Engineer? You dont have to confess, if you dont want to >:( - João da Silva Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:34:32 +0100 http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8780/54/#pc_11680 Another similar Brazilian article : "Brazil will need to invest US$ 5 billion per year over the next 20 years to meet the expected world demand for Ethanol. The hypothesis was raised in a study by researcher Cortez Luiz of the University of Campinas (Unicamp), which was presented today in a seminar on agribusiness held at the headquarters of BNDES (Brazilian Development Bank). According to the National Energy Information Center (NEIC) by 2025 1,7 trillion of liters (447 billion gals) of gasoline will be consumed yearly. If 10% of this total is substituted with Ethanol, this will require 204 billion liters (53.6 billion gals) of Ethanol per year. If Brazil were to meet this demand, it would require 615 new plants, which would total US$ 31 billion in exports per year and create 5.3 million jobs" NOW lets do some basic maths : 5,3 millions jobs producing US$ 31 billion....EQUALS TO AROUND.....US$ 6000.- per job...per year ! RIGHT OR NOT ???????? Ohhhhhh but these US$ 6000.- annual GROSS REVENUE per worker, doesnt include the input costs, such as machinery, trucks, pipeline, mills, acquiring land prices, administration costs, social costs, interests...etc etc...... !!!!! And doesntt neither include the transportation,infrastructure, port costs. End results ? By 2025 these 5,3 millions NEW workers should earn around US$ 200.- per month...AT BEST......to generate US$ 31 billion in exports !!!!!!!! Brazil has truly a great future....in more....POVERTY...for milions and millions of its citizens !!!!!!!! Viva Brazil, Viva Bin Lula and his 4000 thieves, Viva Ethanol the only product GUARANTEING more poverty by 2025....in Brazil !!!! And as you can see....it is not US$ 20 billion that would be needed by 2025 as today above article mentions, but US$ 5 billion per year for the next 20 years....or US$ 100 billion. Whatever way you look at it, whatever original Brazilian official source it comes from, one thing is sure, it is that no one in Brazil knows how to use a basic spread sheet...to do some forward predictions. Brazilians just goof, goof, goof, cheat, and lie ! They dont even know what they are talking about. They cant even realize that their equations are full of bugs, contradictions and errors ! - ch.c. Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:55:46 +0100