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Saturday, 01 August 2009

Girls from UK in Brazil After a Brazilian judge refused to grant them bail two British law graduates accused of insurance fraud are being held in a prison in Brazil together with murderers and drug-traffickers . Shanti Andrews and Rebecca Turner, both 23, have been imprisoned at the Polinter de Mesquita prison in Rio de Janeiro for the past five days for allegedly making false claims to police about a robbery. They told Police that their bags had been stolen in Copacabana, in the South zone of Rio.

The women had hoped to be released on bail on Friday. But a judge at Rio's 27th Criminal Court ordered they stay behind bars until their trial because they are foreigners, their lawyer said.

It means the friends will be forced to endure cramped and dangerous conditions until their trial, which could be weeks away.

Their legal team had expected they would be freed and face a lesser charge of making a false claim, which is punishable by up to six months in jail or a fine. But state prosecutors charged them with insurance fraud, which carries a maximum five-year jail term.

Judge Flávio Itabaiana made the ruling behind closed doors while the two graduates remained in the filthy, rat-infested prison conditions

It is understood he feared the tourists could flee Brazil - despite having their passports confiscated - as he believed the British Embassy could provide them with new passports or other travel documents.

The women's lawyer, Renato Tonini, said: "This is very bad news for my clients. The prosecutors have charged them with the more serious offense, and the judge has refused them bail. He said it was because they are foreigners and so there is a serious risk they might leave the country.

"We believe it is the wrong decision by the judge and we are going to appeal to a higher court.

"The women were not in court for the ruling and they do not yet know about it.

"Unless we win on appeal it means they will remain in prison until the trial, which could be weeks away." A second court date is understood to be scheduled for next week. The prison is in Baixada Fluminense, a rundown district on the outskirts of Rio de Janeiro. They are sleeping in a corridor without mattresses because of overcrowding and are surrounded by murderers and drug-traffickers.

Their parents have issued pleas for mercy and the local British consulate has also been attempting to have them released from the prison, which has been condemned by human-rights activists.

Gang violence and murder is common, with foreigners thought to be particularly at risk.

According to Brazil's legislation, inmates with a college diploma have the right to special lodging in prison, far from the common prisoners. Some reports, however, says that the girls were not able to prove that they have graduate in Law.

Andrews and Turner were arrested after telling police they had been robbed of more than 1,000 British pounds (US$ 1,669) of goods during a bus trip.

Suspicious officers went to their hostel and apparently discovered some of the items under their beds, including a £240 (US$ 400) mobile phone, a £450 (US$ 750) digital camera, a £600 (US$ 1,000) iPod and a £60 (US$ 100) white bag, all of which the women had claimed were stolen.

The women, both of whom graduated from the University of Sussex in law in 2007, maintain they were robbed but made a mistake as they reported the crime to police.

They were coming to the end of a nine-month world tour of 30 countries when they were arrested.

Speaking at the family's large detached home in Frant, near Tunbridge Wells, Shanti's mother, Simone Healey, 39, said the two girls were "absolutely traumatized".

She added: "It's every mother's worst nightmare."

Update:

The Brazilian judge who had ruled to keep the girls in jail has now overturned his earlier decision allowing them to post bail and wait for their trial  in a hotel in Rio.

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written by PTRio, August 01, 2009
What, these criminals should be housed at the Copacabana Palace while awaiting trial and sentencing? Their crime was one of pure fraud, and had nothing to do with poverty, hunger or any other reason. And, having gone to law school? Why should they receive any different treatment than other criminals?

"According to Brazil's legislation, inmates with a college diploma have the right to special lodging in prison, far from the common prisoners." Perhaps if that law were appealed Brasil would have a lot less corruption and fraud among elected officials and government employees, not to mention business executives.
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written by João da Silva, August 01, 2009
Two Women UK Lawyers on Vacation in Brazil Jailed with Murderers


These UKay lawyers probably did not read Shakespeare or if they did, forgot what he said.

Mr.Forrest Brown, do you have anything to add?
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written by jon, August 01, 2009
I am sure we are going to hear a story about a woman and a tub of butter pretty soon....
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No...jon !
written by ch.c., August 01, 2009
You are going to hear about a brazilian whore : Paula !
She pretended to have been attacked and mutilated by Swiss rights racists extremists....just to try to get MONEY
from our government...IN COMPENSATION !!!!!
Short memory....idiot and filthy Brazilian Jon ?????

Was she subject to ONE DAY IN JAIL ???????????????

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !


Ohhhhh and since you are a pro-law fan, does it make sense that BRAZILIANS ILLEGALS IN THE USA & EUROPE....ARE NOT PUT IN JAIL....AS THEY ARE AGAINST THE LAWS ????????
And what about your corruptions practices in your country ? Are they legal...as per YOUR FILTHY LAWS ?
Who ever ends up in jail for these DAILY practices in Brazil ?
SARNEY ? ACM ? MALUF ? INIACIO...DA SILVA ?


Ohhhh and short memery of so many women in brazilians jails who had to accept......FOOD FOR SEX ????????

Jon, why dont you ask all brazilians for a standing ovation....for the well known Brazilian INjustice ???????
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written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, August 02, 2009
if brasil wants to romance the high priced tourtist this sort of thing has to stop !!!!!!!!!!

on the other hand it could be as easy as the police not understanding the english language !!!!!

but wanting a bribe under the table .
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written by press, August 02, 2009
ch.c SHIT

Europeans use to come to Brazil much worst than rats inside the ships,basically rats use to travel in 1st class where food could be found.

Everytime you offend a Brazilian national about poverty, crime, corruption etc REMEMBER YOUR EUROPEANS RACE USE TO BE LIKE RATS fleeing poverty, full of diseases, war, starvation, with 14 children plus one in the womb and we the BLACK/BROWN brazilian use to trown your race in the ocean in order to don't get your diseases.

Nowadays whenever a brazilian illegal land in your EXTREMELY RICH, WEALTHY 1ST WORLD you give us a bottle of mineral water ah ah ah. And don't tell me: Feel free to call my ancestors as rats. I AM CALLING YOU A RAT.

And now the EXTREMELY WEALTHY EUROPEANS are travelling to Brazil to have sex with children. But remember Mr rat human rights doesn't apply down here. If we cacth you'll be sent to a prison and become a lady into our prisons. ah ah ah

I think it is time to starting dismembering some SWISS nationals living in Brazil and put them into a suitcase. I'll make sure I'll remove their blue eyes with my own nails. I know many of them so there won't be shortage of dismembered bodies......

Whan do you reckon?
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written by thanos, August 02, 2009
Its a simple case of insurance fraud. The two women were caught red handed and taken to jail as they should have been since they were definite flight risk. Now they will probably end up paying an outrageous fine which will be a drop in the bucket to their rich families. The media is trying to paint them as innocent, intelligent angels but the reality is that they are just a couple of rich, spoiled party girls who are globe hopping and have probably successfully pulled off this insurance scam in one of the other thirty countries they visited. If you do the crime you do the time. These two women "supposedly" studied law so they should know this and if you happen to break the law in a country with terrible prisons you've chosen your own fate. Were these two Black women it wouldn't even have made the news and people like ch.c. and forrest brown would not be here defending them.
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written by thanos, August 02, 2009
And for the record these two women are NOT lawyers. They graduated from law school in 2007 and haven't practiced a second of law. Since 2007 they've been partying around the world doing who knows what. What is really conspicious is that one of the girl's families won't even comment on the case because they probably know how their daughter is and that the girls were dead wrong in this case.
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written by Gringo, August 02, 2009
I'd like to wait for more information before sentencing these two women like the judge already has. That said, even if they are guilty of fraud, the Judge is guilty of blatant bigotry and xenophobia, too. They should be treated like Brazilians, and in this case, they are not. Not surprising in Brazil, just look at the comment from PRESS (simply seething in hatred and ignorance) to see the level of disdain Brazilians have for foreigners (ya sure they cover up their xenophobia at BBQs, or at bars but it's always there, ready to be unleashed at a moments notice). If you're a foreigner in Brazil avoid the courts at all costs, regardless of what was done to you, because as a foreigner the judge will simply look at you as "gringo that needs to be taught a lesson". Alternative law in Brazil at its best.

There is real concern for the safety of these two women in prison, or have we forgotten what happened to the 14 year old girl locked up with murderers in Belem? Throwing them in with the lowest life forms on the planet simply because they are foreign in pure bigotry and idiocy. They have no passports, they cannot leave. Like the Legacy pilots. But I've always said, judges in Brazil are some of the dumbest and most corrupt SOBs in this nation. To reiterate CH.Cs point, imagine if that crack pot in Switzerland last year were treated the same.

As for PRESS, look what a Brazilian out of prison writes, just imagine the ideation of those already doing time. Seek help PRESS, you're one sick f**k.

I think it is time to starting dismembering some SWISS nationals living in Brazil and put them into a suitcase. I'll make sure I'll remove their blue eyes with my own nails. I know many of them so there won't be shortage of dismembered bodies......
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And now the EXTREMELY WEALTHY EUROPEANS are travelling to Brazil to have sex with children
written by ch.c., August 02, 2009
Dear Rat,
You better check YOUR OWN STATS (not mine) stating that Brazil has over 900 municipalities offering sex with minors and children ! Meaning that ONE municipality has more than ONE brothel offering sex with minors and children.
Do foreign tourists really go to 900 Brazilians municipalities ! DOUBFTUL !
PROVEN ALSO IN ARTICLES IN THIS SITE (SORRY FOR YOU...RAT) that YOU BRAZILIANS, NOT FOREIGNERS, ARE THE NUMBER ONE CLIENTS FOR HAVING SEX WITH MINORS AND CHILDREN !!!!!

Ohhhh and in my country, foreign illegals have free healthcare !
Is it the same in Brazil ? Please clarify...RAT !

Why dont you look at countries comparative stats (also not done by me-....if you dont mind).

My wishes ? Simple :
- read more regularly articles in this site. You may as well discover WHAT BRAZIL IS AND WHAT BRAZIL IS NOT !
- you will vote for Sarney, ACM or Maluf...if they are candidates for the next presidential term ! I bet you are a direct beneficiary from one of these gangs !


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written by e harmony, August 02, 2009
written by Gringo, August 02, 2009
I'd like to wait for more information before sentencing these two women like the judge already has.


Sentencing? Where? Have you ever been through the judicial system? People sit in jails all the time awaiting trial. Even after trial is over and the verdict given, a separate date is often given for the actual sentencing by the judge.

And for the record, while there are some (often less then 1%) college graduates in U.S. state prisons, most college graduates are brought before federal courts and sentenced to federal prisons (often much better facilities). Many times college graduates involved in white collar crime - such as insurance fraud - will not be tried in U.S. criminal court, but in civil court. They then escape incarceration and only pay a fine.
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written by João da Silva, August 02, 2009
I still do not understand why these two English "Peruas" ventured into Rio to commit this heinous crime of Insurance Fraud, in spite of your constant warnings about the perils that such wenches might be exposed to in distant lands.

IMHO, their respective parents spared the rod and spoiled the brats. smilies/sad.gif

Another question that comes to my mind: What has the British Diplomatic Mission in Rio done to alleviate the sufferings of these two hot shot lawyers who broke the International law? Probably having Tea and Biscuits and chalking out a (never ending) strategy as how to deal with this crisis between Brasil and Great Britain, as well as exchanging e-mail messages with Gordon Brown begging him for his instructions.

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written by Gringo, August 03, 2009
Sentencing? Where? Have you ever been through the judicial system?


By throwing these two girls into a prison NOW (and prisons in Brazil are often referred to as the "reinvention of hell") they have already been, ostensibly, sentenced to pay a price, and a hefty one, too. If they were Brazilian, they'd not be in a stinking cage with lowlifes. I expect them to be treated as any other Brazilian with higher education: meaning they shouldn't be locked up now (and spare me this "they'll flee bullshit"), and if found guilty they do their time where other Brazilian university graduates do their time and are sentence as other first time Brazilian offenders would be sentence meaning, they probably wouldn't even DO jail time. To treat them differently, just because they are foreign, is blatant xenophobia and needs to be called out.

Now, and here's my caveat, If you think the Brazilian penal system is broken, unjust and it's judges idiots, that's fine by me, I think so too. It's a joke. Still, that's another issue.

As for the rest of your post about the US, who gives a scat. This is a site about Brazil.
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written by thanos, August 03, 2009
What some of you apologist seem to be forgetting is that these two women were caught red handed breaking the law. There is no "misunderstanding". I've been to the Rio Tourist police office. The police there speak English. Reporting stolen items is as easy as writing down a list of the items with their value as these two women most certainly did. They lied pure and simple and they and some like ch.c and Gringo would have cried no matter what jail they were sent to. It doesn't matter because any holding cell in Brazil is going to be filled with lowlifes. The bottom line is that its the women's fault for trying to pull the scam in the first place. Because they are white people like Gringo and ch.c want them to be held in the Copacabana Palace and given massages while they await justice. Even in the USA a person who breaks the law no matter who they are are kept in a holding cell with "lowlifes" til the judge decides on bail. Had these girls been in Thailand or any other third world country their situation would be the same. For anyone who has never been incarcerated even a holding cell in NY or L.A. is "hell".
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written by Gringo, August 03, 2009
They lied pure and simple and they and some like ch.c and Gringo would have cried no matter what jail they were sent to.


Piss of thanos, I made my point clearly. Regardless of their guilt or innocents, and I'll let the courts decide and not you, there is a double standard being applied in their treatment and it's bigoted. If you want to defend xenophobia be my guest. This is simply another cheap shot at evening the score with those nasty gringos (or gringas in this case). Ch.c's point was that the Brazilian NUTCASE in Switzerland after lying about racism, being assaulted and pregnant, almost creating an international incident, was treated better there than these two girls are being here. So do me a favor a frack off, if they're guilty fine but leading UP to the courts decision and following the courts decision they need to be treated to the letter of the law as it applies to all citizens and not the whim of some rouge judge and blood thirsty anti -gringo populace. Got that?
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written by disapointed, August 03, 2009
This is another example of why Brasil is still a long way from joining the family of first world nations you have still to prove your justice system is fair and court decisions such as this are a long way from that, concentrate your legal system where it matters on real crime and dishonesty in your society
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written by thanos, August 04, 2009
Gringo; regardless of their guilt or innocence it is still the norm for an arrested person to be kept in a holding cell. Its not anyone's fault but their own that they decided to break the law in a country who's jails happen to be in terrible conditions. What is the double standard being applied? Should they not have been arrested and held? Should the police just let them go? I know of Americans who have been arrested in Brazil and kept in the same conditions until bail is posted. These two women are not going to be treated like the elite class of Brazil. If the Brazilian woman in Switzerland did all of the things that you stated and was treated better than these girls maybe the problem is with the Swiss judicial system!! Its funny that you and ch.c. are so staunch in your defense of these girls yet when I read the comments on UK websites 99% of their own countrymen are saying they are getting what they deserve and that they should know better than to break the law in a foreign country. Even now you say let the courts decide but you will cry when that decision comes forth unless it is full exoneration.
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written by thanos, August 04, 2009
The question is not whether the Brazilian Judicial system is flawed. Everyone knows its flawed and filled with corrupt cops and politicians. That's why rule number one for travel in Brazil is not to break the law and put yourself in a position to get caught up in the Faustian world of the Brazilian System because if you do you'll be lucky to get out of Brazil on schedule and only a couple thousand dollars lighter. If all of the evidence that points towards their guilt is true then these girls gambled and thought they could beat the system. Its a gamble thats born from an arrogance that is often seen in third world countries where tourist come with the sense that they are above the law and better than the locals because they have more money in their pockets or a better formal education. For now these girls are quiet but let them set foot on British soil again and you'll see that arrogant side come forth again. Gringo says they should be treated like Brazilian citizens. If he knew anything about the Brazilian Penal System he'd know that they WERE being treated like Brazilians. Some want these women to get special treatment. Why? Because they are British? Because they are fellow gringoes? Or because they are white? Its strange that you never see this amount of outrage at the arrest of foreigners until the person being arrested is a white female. Then and only then does it become a major issue. I'll repeat my previous statement. Had this been two Black women from britian, America or wherever the tone would be much different and you can believe that the defenders would not be here arguing their case. This is a major factor in the arrogance I talked about earlier. The mindset of some that step off of the plane thinking; "I'm White and I'm Right".
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written by Gringo, August 04, 2009
Most of your rant was illegitimate and your points were irrelevant. Who really cares how these girls will act back in the UK if or when they return? Should we assign guilt based solely on what we “think they will do”? Is arrogance a criminal offense? Being white?

It’s all moot now anyway; the girl’s have been released, at least until they appear before the courts on Wednesday. We’ll see what the decision is then (and don’t tell me how I’ll react – and you talk about arrogance), but at least now they’re being treated accordingly. That was my whole point, although obviously lost on you.

Gringo says they should be treated like Brazilian citizens. If he knew anything about the Brazilian Penal System he'd know that they WERE being treated like Brazilians. Some want these women to get special treatment.


If these two were university educated Cariocas or Paulistas, my bet is they would not have spent more than a half day incarcerated. If that. Sorry Charley, I have over 8 years living here and possess a fairly decent radar for the hidden subtleties of this society. I‘m far from an authority on Brazil, and it’s legal system, but I’ve seen and been through enough to know Brazilians have a bizarre complex love / hate relationship with western foreigners of any hue, and you are indeed treated differently, less favourably mostly, by the courts if forced to deal with them for any reason. It’s ugly nationalism. And it is mostly, sadly, ubiquitous. Search out articles on this site by Zimmerman regarding “alternative law” in Brazil.

But I doubt his articles will be of interest to you, you've already made up your mind, ignored the law, the trial, and happily convicted them. Actually you don't even care if they are guilty or not, you just want to see some misplaced justice served. Looking to your myriad references regarding the girls’ race, your ideation is glaringly obvious.
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written by thanos, August 04, 2009
Gringo ;the girls are being treated as anyone else would. Yes an educated Carioca or Paulista might have gotten out sooner because they would have had the necessary connections to do so. No different than a foreigner getting arrested in the states who can't speak the language or who knows a lawyer to call. You seem to have been upset that they spent a minute in jail. I've looked at the facts that have b een presented in this case and its not like this is some Perry Mason mystery. Its two girls trying to get over on the system and put a little extra money in their pockets. Even the lawyer of the girls has said they do not know if they are going to plead guilty or innocent. If they were truly innocent there would be no question as to what they would plead. Take off your gringo blinders and stop being so naive. There's no way that they could walk into a police office and report these items stolen(camera,laptop,phone) and not have known that the items were under their beds in their suitcase for three days!!! Did they not change their clothes? Did the robbers break in and put the items back?? There are two sides to every coin. On one side is the xenophobe who hates all tourist and anyone who isn't a national. On the other side is the ultra arrogant foreigner who thinks their crap doesn't stink and that they should be afforded top of the line treatment no matter what stupid thing they do. As I stated I know the justice system in Brazil is screwed up. I've been visiting and living there for close to 15 years. But since I know its screwed up I've managed to stay on the right side of the law. These girls were only there a short time and they screwed up royally. That's on them. I tell all of my friends who visit to keep there noses clean. If they stray and test the waters and get caught, shame on them. Brazil is a great place to live if you can avoid trouble but it can be a living hell if you go looking for trouble and find it. That's what these two girls did and that's on them. If by some strange occurance they are some how innocent more power to them but its obvious that you're willing to accept their weird excuse that it was some sort of "misunderstanding". I'd like to hear your basis for thinking they are innocent other than giving them the benefit of the doubt.
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Deport them!
written by AndyE, August 07, 2009
What is wrong with the justice system? Just deport them, refuse any future visas and be done with them. This is not some gang of organ trafficers. Send their British asses home. While you are at it, get some judges with half a brain.
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written by thanos, August 12, 2009
Well Gringo; your two princesses have decided to plead guilty. They could have saved alot of wasted time and money by just doing so in the first place. Now the justice system will give them their due punishment and Brazil can be done with them. Deporting them would be too easy as you can be sure they never intend to set foot back in Brazil again. I think the judges in this case had no choice but to treat them as criminals since they tried to lie their way out of their guilt. smilies/shocked.gif smilies/shocked.gif They deserve a hefty fine for wasting the tax payer's money and then to be deported and their visas revoked.
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