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Monday, 07 September 2009

Lula meets Sarkozy in Brasília Brazilian President, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, and his French counterpart, Nicolas Sarkozy, issued a joint communiqué, this Monday, September 7, the day Brazil celebrates its independence, announcing the Brazilian government's intention of buying from France 36 GIE Rafale fighter planes. 

Lula and Sarkozy also signed agreements for bilateral development of submarines and helicopters.

The official note also informs that the French leader expressed his country's intention of acquiring 10 units of the military cargo plane KC-390 to be manufactured by Brazilian aircraft maker Embraer. The French are supposed to help in the development of such airplane.

The Rafale, from the French company Dassault, was in a tough competition with Sweden Saab's Gripen and US Boeing's F/A18 Super Hornet. This is a US$ 4 billion deal and it's expected that Brazil will have its final word on the purchase by the end of October. 

In a concession unprecedented for Paris, the French government has accepted to offer Brazil technological knowledge in exchange for acquiring hardware from France. Dassault also counted on the chemistry between Lula and Sarkozy to help to close the deal.

Lula justified the acquisition of new military equipment by reminding his fellow citizens that the country needs a strong deterrent to defend against covetous foreign hands its new-found oil riches, deep in the ocean, in the earth's pre-salt layer.

"We always have to think that oil has been the cause of many wars and conflicts and we don't want any part of this. We are working under the assumption that in the next 15, 20 years we will turn into a big world power."

The military cooperation agreement between the two presidents should make Brazil the "leading naval power" in Latin America according to the Brazilian daily O Estado de S. Paulo.

"Probably this is the beginning, but nobody is willing to admit it because it could have diplomatic consequences, but it's the path that will give Brazil the most naval firepower in Latinamerica," underlined São Paulo's most authoritative daily.

"The idea is to have, above all, a dissuasive power superior to that of neighbors", adds the publication.

President Sarkozy arrived Sunday in Brazilian capital Brasília together with eight ministers for the signing of defense cooperation agreements totaling 12.5 billion US dollars.

In an unusual gesture, President Lula  was personally at the airport to receive the numerous French delegation and his peer Sarkozy.

Most of the funds, to be financed by a European consortium of banks headed by BNP Paribas, will be invested in the purchase of four conventional Scorpene submarines and one nuclear powered all to be built in Brazil.

The transfer of technology is at the heart of the agreement.

At the grand parade Monday in Brasília, President Sarkozy was the guest of honor (a similar privilege granted to President Lula in Paris on the Day of the Bastille, July 14th last year) at the grand military parade.

That same day in Rio do Janeiro the Brazilian Navy will hold a similar display in the sea along the coast of the "marvelous city" where the shipyard for the submarines will be located as well as a naval base.

"I'm convinced that the visit of President Sarkozy will consolidate the strategic association between France and Brazil," forecasted President Lula in interviews with the French press.

O Globo, a daily newspaper from Rio de Janeiro published that these purchases are the first step for the "re-equipment of Brazilian Armed Forces," which during the last 33 years have had no major investments.

"In the mid term Brazil will have a fleet of 10 to 12 submarines and later probably also French frigates,", added the paper.

Guaranteeing the "defense of the sea is not only important for Brazil because of its immense natural resources such as offshore oil, but also because 85% of its foreign trade is maritime".

Although Brazilian society is still a bit reticent to discuss defense issues and expenditure because of the last military dictatorship which lasted two decades, (1964/1985) last year President Lula launched the new National Strategy Defense which was supported by the political establishment

The 12 billion US dollars agreement is basically earmarked 9.5 billion for the navy but also included 50 transport-helicopters, EC-725, French model to be supplied between 2010 and 2016 and built by Brazil's Helibras at its plant in Belo Horizonte and Europe's Eurocopter.

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written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, September 07, 2009
are a much better fighter bomber than the french built plane.

but may be to complactied for the brasilians to fly and maintaine .

or most likely the US would not sell with the advanced technology that the same US planes have .

how about this one irian told chaves whom told lula that the US has a built in bug to ground all military planes they sell in time of war , back to the F14 that sat on the ground when the government of iran took US hostages

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French Connection
written by Lloyd Cata, September 08, 2009
The US FA-18 was not really a consideration for several reasons; 1) Brazil has not forgotten how the US turned on Argentina vs Britain over Falklands and may have to support its 'closer neighbor' in a future conflict. 2) Technical knowledge transfer was not in any US deal. 3) The only 'threat' to the oil and shipping could possibly come from US-interest parties, such as those who want to maintain the 'status quo' US/OPEC alliance in world oil price structure. It is one thing to allow Venezuela to reduce hemispheric subservience to US/OPEC pricing, but with Brazil poised to restructure the energy sector in the western hemisphere Washington IS NOT PLEASED.
Imagine for one moment that the US being the only nation in the Western Hemisphere reduced to kneeling before its Middle-East oil suppliers. The structure of the energy sector, energy pricing, and market manipulation would be removed from the US and its Arab 'friends'. President Lula may be timid with his relations with Washington, but he is not stupid. The only threat to Brazils energy development and independence are the greedy and manipulative ________.

BTW, FORREST, part of any US sales comes with certified training with USAF trainers as part of the deal. That is a bonus of the US military-industrial agenda that US taxpayers fund in order to be the biggest arms suppliers in the world.
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What is the REAL price?
written by Lloyd Cata, September 08, 2009
So the latest 'dictate' from the Saudi royalty is a benchmark oil price of $75/barrel. What happens when enough 'other' suppliers want to sell at a lower price for domestic, diplomatic, or commercial reasons? At what point will 'pressure' be used to influence the price, and who would supply that pressure? Surely those willing to sacrifice the blood of their children for 'black gold' on the other side of the world would be willing to step on the neck of a weak neighbor to the south in order to maintain the 'status quo'.
Brazilian jets from France may be a small deterrent but enough to counter the first advance, which would be the 'diplomatic blackmail', of a more forceful response.
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IT IS NECESSARY!
written by AUGUSTUS SEVERUS, September 08, 2009
Because we live in a world of dwindling resources, I applaud the decisions taken by the Brazilian Government.

Although I have always disliked and opposed "LULU" and do not particularly like "SARKO", I must reluctantly concede that for once, they appear to be doing something right.

Consequently, Brazil should not only keep this course and ensure that the above mentioned task is duly accomplished (without the customary short-falls and delays - not to mention to constant threat of "corruption"), but ALSO pursue additional projects - e.g. Atomic Readiness (whereby the capability of immediate production of atomic weapons would be established) and many other military ventures in full partnership with Argentina (in light of mutual defense considerations).
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written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, September 08, 2009
brasil war will come from within not the outside .

best invest in APC , and rotowing aircraft along with planes like the A10 for jungle fighting .


as one day the people with help from your old friends like chaves , FARC will start a some what civil war
as the people are getting tired of lies .coruption of the government , the treatment by the police they receive ,
lack of just bacisc needs , water , sewer , elecrity . food .medical ,schools .
all can and will bring on some form of inside responce by the people .

Just look at chaves land today as he is not there and his people are in the streets wanting to know why he is
shuting down there TV station and raido , ( just because they say things about him and his congress )
brasil congress is aready atticing its press , and TV come on people of brasil
GROW SOME BALLS AND LIVE WITH IT OR STOP BITCHING ABOUT IT
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Brazil Buys 36 French Fighter Jets to Defend Its Oil
written by ch.c., September 08, 2009
No doubt that Forrest is right "brasil war will come from within not the outside"

Otherwise developed nations would have already invaded A LONG TIME AGO.... Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and all the mini UAE !
And also Venezuela with their EXISTING PROVEN OIL RESERVES AT 176 billion barrels far far far more than Brazil POSSIBLE FUTURE oil reserves.
That would have been a "shorter vacations" than invading Iraq. And also much much much cheaper.

As to Lloyd Cata "Technical knowledge transfer was not in any US deal".
Welll.... more wrong you cant be !

Dont forget that timing is everything :
Robbing Hook is already preparing the next brazilian Presidential election.
Not necessarily to be re-elected (time will tell) but to have his OWN chosen successor win the election.
After the election all the actual fanfare will have its sound and noise....REDUCED DRAMATICALLY !!!!!
Delays...budget constraints, less urgency, aapparently less foreign threats will surface...but...but...with Nooooo sound speakers AS NOW IS THE CASE...OF COURSE !
NOTHING NEW !
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no cata,i think its far featched the usa will ever invade brazil for oil
written by asp, September 08, 2009
you can come up with all the logic you want, it just aint going to happen...
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ch.c
written by João da Silva, September 08, 2009
Comrade. ch.c. , sometimes (only sometimes, I must admit to your credit), you are quite inconsistent and tend to be overly Pro French. Of course I don't blame you, because you have confessed many times that you are French Swiss. Here are your inconsistencies, with respect to French made products:

1) Since our long and pleasant association, I have been praising French made Kitchen appliances especially the Brand "Moulinex" and you were the first one to say they are junk, though better than the Chinese made ones, but...but... not as good as the Swiss made ones. Short memory?

2) Then you claimed that your cousin Sarko was "struggling" to sell his Rafale to Brasil and UAE and I was sure he was going to do it and requested you to buy 4 more planes to enable him to fulfill his quota. You refuse to give him a firm order, which is not acceptable to me.

3) You were chanting the glory of "Concorde" and when I asked you a specific question, you tucked your tail behind the hind legs and ran away.

4) Then you come out contesting our fellow comrade Dr.Lloyd Cata when he said:

As to Lloyd Cata "Technical knowledge transfer was not in any US deal".
Welll.... more wrong you cant be !


Prove why Dr.Cata is wrong.

5) You have not said a word about Air France 447 or the Airbus passenger planes. My question: If Rafale is as slow moving as Airbus planes, does it have a chance against Su-37, 47, etc. that Augustus´s buddy "El Commandante" is buying?

Every single blogger is looking forward for clarifications of your inconsistencies. smilies/wink.gif smilies/cheesy.gif
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Repeating my dismissives from another editorial
written by AUGUSTUS SEVERUS, September 09, 2009
Naturally, for staunch opponents of anything Brazilian like Forest, or blogers who outright hate and despise anything about Brazil or Brazilians - such as CH-C -- which I NO longer condemn OR (honestly ) resent, given the fact that both of them have the right to feel dislike/oppose AND riducle/insult (respectively), there would NEVER be any argument that might ever convince or persuade them regardless of the topic, significance, logic…

It simply does not matter whatever the issue may be, because, while the former will object and mistrust the matter under consideration, the other automatically mock, insult and attack whatever happens to be Brazilian at the topic under consideratikon... – WHICH IS FINE!!! For I can understand the radicalism and intolerance, given the fact that I feel EXACTLY the same way against anything the REPUGNANT Islamic world or the RIDICULOUS world religions, EXCEEDINGLY STRONG feelings which automaically preclude me from accepting (whatever Islamic or religous), in fact I would not even make an ATTEMPT... My reaction would mimick Forest's Brazlian objections - with even more sarcasm as well as CH-C's STRONG HATE for anything Brazlian (naturally laughing / laughing / laughing) --- I KNOW and UNDERSTAND

Cosequently, the crux of my point here is simply to indicate that there is absolutely NO need to attempt OBJECTIING / CONDEMING/ RIDICULING the issue (not only because I’m aware of most PITFALLS against adopting an aggressive military posture, or relying on SARKO - let alone trusting LULU), but also because any strong sarcastic objection about Brazil from Forest and any insulting mocking remark from ch-c are as expected in the same way anyone would anticipate humidity in a rain forest, or sand storms in a desert…
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Augustus
written by João da Silva, September 09, 2009
as expected in the same way anyone would anticipate humidity in a rain forest, or sand storms in a desert…


You becoming a philosopher, Milord? smilies/wink.gif smilies/cheesy.gif

Cheers
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The BIG Picture
written by Lloyd Cata, September 09, 2009
ch.c - Are you suggesting that the US offer of jets would have matched or surpassed the French offer in the technology area? Would the US and Brazil cooperatively upgraded, with Brazil allowed to manufacture portions of the product. The only country the US allows that kind of agreement is with Israel. I don't ask you to believe anything; just to look at the facts. Transfers of that military technology is prohibited by US law, except for Israel. Only Israel can retrofit it own technology into US designs and get away with it.

asp - I never said the US would invade Brazil, even as there is no chance of US invading Venezuela. Invasion is not key to 'destabilization'. Remember as I always tell you, "There is profit in chaos". It is no coincidence that US neocons(NRA) support liberal gun laws in Brazil. It is no coincidence that Brazil Senato is so corrupt without the influence of 'socialist agenda' even under Lula. It is no coincidence that paramilitaries growth in Brazil is only surpassed by Columbia. Guns, corruption, violence against the poor are greater threats to Brazil than any invasion. When these things get too big for Brazil to control guess who will be waiting to "assist" in your further decline back into secondary status?

Gentleman, I only ask you to see how things are connected...yes, logically connected. I.e., the Venezuelan media is connected in so many instances with US media and corporations. The 'reason' Brazil will not allow Columbia into Mercosur is because of Mr. Chavez crackdown on media manipulation. Does anyone question why Venezuelan media never reported the peoples poverty when the oligarch were in power? No, Venezuelan society was most perfect when the elitists kept the majority hungry, ignorant, and powerless.
Remember, how Argentina was beloved by the Latin elite? Buenos Aires was the Riviera of the Americas. Now Brazil is the favorite of the elites and oligarchs in the East, West, North, and South. Rio is the most fun city in the world, surpassing even Disneyland. The same media who promote your glorious rise and praise your beauty will be the ones who hang you with your own poverty, corruption, and violence. You see, they praise you so much that you fail to look in the mirror and see the truth for yourself!

Buy the jets, build the bombs, gorge yourselves on your new oil riches, but at the end of the day you will still be a whore, and every whore needs a pimp to cover her assets.
I TELL YOU, NOT FOR THE FIRST TIME, IF BRAZIL ACTS FOOLISHLY AND DOES NOT LEARN THE LESSONS OF THE PAST, ALL OF LATIN AMERICA WILL PAY, IN BLOOD AND GOLD.
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Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, September 09, 2009
The BIG Picture


Kudos again, Dr.Cata. Our esteemed and respectable fellow bloggers are unable to see the "BIG picture" like we do and more interested in bickering among themselves.

The 'reason' Brazil will not allow Columbia into Mercosur is because of Mr. Chavez crackdown on media manipulation.


You got it wrong this time. The Brasilian senate is not allowing Venezuela to get into MERCOSUL. Of course I have no objection of your scolding our "Senato" (you must brush up your Portuguese, though), at will.

While your comment addressed to our friend ASP may be quite consoling to him, I am not sure that the ones addressed to ch.c will have the same effect. Our dear friend ch.c is quite confused (and mule headed) and doesn't know where his loyalties are. Pro French, Anti Brasilian, Neutral, etc;

BTW, none of our fellow bloggers including our eminent scholars Augustus , "The Guest", etc; have followed your advice and read the books recommended by you (so far). Once they do it, they would understand our viewpoints better. Not that we want to brainwash them with our "Doctrine"
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RESET, RESET...Error
written by Lloyd Cata, September 09, 2009
Obrigato João - Correct on both points...my error. Should be Brazil Senato will not all Venezuela into Mercosul. And I'm afraid my Portuguese will not improve until I can spend some time in-country.

However, as we see from recent news, US is now willing to share technology. Straight from the US embassy. Last time the embassy approved US military weapons for Brazil....hmmmm. Could it have been when the military dictators ruled Brazil.

However, there are other voices who also see the facts;
http://www.media-alliance.org/article.php?id=408
http://upsidedownworld.org/main/content/view/2059/1/
http://www.monthlyreview.org/0502petras.htm

I think President Lula wants good relations with the US, but the price is much to high, and the result will be a return to military rule.

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And the problem with a "possible" return of the military rule being...
written by AUGUSTUS SEVERUS, September 09, 2009
Quite frankly, despite my emphatic disposition towards democracy, freedom of speech & expression, etc, because I'm a realist, our beloved system will never work in any country or region where the majority of the populations remain ignorant or at best semi-literate.

Because the unfortunate peoples of such territories do not have the necessary education and/or awareness of the basic requirements quintessential for the collective efforts towards the foundation of a civil. Democratic society, they are bound to fall prey to populist tactics of "caudilhos" (strongmen) such as the obnoxious Hugo Chavez.

Consequently, with the sole exception of Chile (and perhaps Uruguay and Costa Rica) which appear to have reached a certain threshold necessary for the proper functioning of a Latin American democratic nation, I shall always view a the presence of a strong military, cautiously watchful, quietly observing the deceptive maneuvers of populist, neo-Leninist politicians, and READY to take ANY necessary step(s) to restore order. Under such grim circumstances, one can ONLY hope that one day - when the country appears to be (TRULY) ready, LIBERTY could be restored along with order and possibly also progress...
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Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, September 09, 2009
I think President Lula wants good relations with the US, but the price is much to high, and the result will be a return to military rule.


A brilliant statement, as usual, Dr.Cata.I would like to invite the erudite scholar, writer, historian and eminent fellow blogger Lord Augustus to comment on this issue. After all he has written two thought provoking articles in the sister magazine titled "Call To Arms" and "Polarization".
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cata, sorry ,your logic is twisted for me...
written by asp, September 09, 2009
first,let me verify, you arnt the same guy who came in here saying stalin is great , right ? i forgot who that was...but that wasnt you , right?

too much "conspiricy, like you know what they are really thinking deep inside, yeah right..." rambling for my taste...

the usa is not at the root of all chaos going on in this world and especialy south america, if you beleive that, you are gullible big time
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written by João da Silva, September 09, 2009
first,let me verify, you arnt the same guy who came in here saying stalin is great , right ? i forgot who that was...but that wasnt you , right?


I don't think so, ASP. He was the guy who introduced the theory of the "Empire" controlling the entire world. Dr.Cata is a man to be listened to, just like Lord Augustus. Sometimes I wonder if Cata and Episilon Eridani are the same .

Hopefully, you are not affected by the Tornadoes hitting your state. smilies/wink.gif smilies/cheesy.gif
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Twist Logic?
written by Lloyd Cata, September 09, 2009
asp - No, it was not I who profess the virtues of Stalin, Lenin, Mao, or other despotic dictators. However I also do not profess the virtues of kings, princes, feudalists, colonialist, or capitalists. If you wish to associate me with an unrepentent socialist, such as my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, I would not object. Do not connect this association with any organized religious sect because then you would be displaying your ignorance of independent thought and free will given to me by The Creator.

Any issue I attempt to comment on is with respect to the sanctity of people over the dominance of ideologies, systems, or governments. This I say to you;
For those who profess to have a better system of governance than others, they are ALL liars. To clarify this point I give to you this FACT:
Mankind has lived untold centuries under the harshest conditions on Earth, in many different environments. Wherever mankind has found himself throughout time he has adapted to that environment and survived, if not prospered. From the frozen arctic to the tropical jungle mankind has survived. In each environment he has made best of what he has been given; different food, different climate, different culture, different beliefs. Thousands of years in the wilderness without the 'benefit' of all that is presently worshipped as 'good'.
How is this possible? Even now new people are discovered in the world who have perservered without 'modern' convienances.
So when 'anyone' says, "my way is better and good for everyone", they automatically expose themselves as a liar and a thief. You see from my mother I learned that a liar will steal and a thief will lie. Religion, democracy, communism, socialism, fuedalism, capitalism, whatever IS NOT FOR EVERYONE!
It is not by accident that I find 'Democratic Capitalism' to be one of the worst ideologies in the history of humanity. You see the Communists are stupid, but merciful; they just put a bullet in your head, unknowingly killing the best of what they wish to control. The Capitalist however subjects the people to economic slavery. He does not wish to kill all who oppose him. He needs to subjugate and control those who oppose him to show others how glorious and generous his ideology is compared to everyone else. Of course those he cannot subjugate and control will have to be killed in order to maintain the 'prosperity' for everyone. The 'media' becomes the tool which allows capitalism to broadcast not only the glory of its ideology but also the demonism of its enemies. I will give a clear example of this; recently the US Supreme Court equated 'money' with 'free speech', i.e., those with the most money had the right to speak louder than anyone else. This is one of the pillars of 'democratic capitalism', but is it a fundamental aspect of the rights of men that has allowed civilization to survive throughtout the history of mankind? I SAY NO!!! CHEGA!
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Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, September 09, 2009
No, it was not I who profess the virtues of Stalin, Lenin, Mao, or other despotic dictators.


I do not profess either.

However I also do not profess the virtues of kings, princes, feudalists, colonialist, or capitalists.


Blue collar Intellectuals like us cant afford to profess the virtues of such nobility you have listed. So you are spot on.

If you wish to associate me with an unrepentent socialist, such as my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, I would not object.


I do not object and hope ASP doesn't either. But, I detect a streak of "atheism" in you ,BUT...BUT..., it hardly matters to me.

The rest of your comments makes a lot of sense.

CHEGA!


Your Portuguese is getting better and my kudos. smilies/wink.gif smilies/cheesy.gif
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Reflecting upon the Facility of Blank Criticisms vis-à-vis the absence of Viable Alternatives
written by AUGUSTUS SEVERUS, September 10, 2009
Unquestionably, since the dawn of civilization in Sumer (and fairly simultaneously in China), mankind has endured indescribable adversity primarily struggling to establish rules and regulations dictating various ways to divide labor, along with laws to punish crimes and feed growing ignorant populations amidst extremely restrict, scarce resources.

As a result, given the egotistical, nefarious nature of our species, constantly overcome by fear and guided by greed and self-interest, at various stages of human civilization certain factions emerged with “better alternatives”, generally with some type of divine sanction, and often presented as the “Path of Rectitude”, only to install, if successful, alternative methods of slavery, oppression, and terror.

Nevertheless, whenever a fairly staple system was successfully implemented over a wide area, generally of continental proportions, the newly established “methodology” generally lasted for centuries, often an entire millennium, due to shackles of utter poverty, ignorance and compliance with rigid religious codes holding the people down, utterly unable to react...

Yet, reformers and prophets never failed to re-emerge in order to drive followers to “see the light” and take the “Right Path” either for “salvation” or “social justice”, thereby re-igniting revolutionary changes, often worse than the previous system they just replaced, but always maintaining the overwhelming majority of the populace immersed in paucity and illiteracy, while demanding their complete devotion to a given set of religious principles…

Against all odds and despite all impediments, the fundamental concept of Liberty and basic Human Rights, along with its inherent freedoms of speech/expression/movement were permitted to materialize. Moreover, these unprecedented notions were further enhanced with the gift of individualism thereby finally permitting the gradual emergence, since the late Seventeenth Century, of yet another imperfect scheme: Capitalism.

Naturally idealistic Social Prophets eventually followed the “oppressive capitalists” with laud praises for Social Justice and Equality – as if they were not of the same Human species incapable to implement such models – convinced of their Righteous Mission to provide “consciousness” to the proletarian masses, but only to generate one of the most hypocritical and oppressive systems which our planet has ever witnessed: “Marxism-Leninism”

Given Humanity’s historical inability to fairly distribute scarce (and progressively dwindling) resources amongst themselves, not to mention its inherent proclivity to generate immeasurable cruelty, destruction and murder for the sake of greed and self-interest, the necessity to “keep on trying” to find a better fashion to organize society is inescapable, despite any inherent unavoidable flaws...

In view of the long arduous pathway, which Human Beings have so far undertaken, over the relatively long period of eight or nine thousand years (of know civilization), I daresay that, in spite of the immense flaws of Western Parliamentary democracies under the framework of a “Socialized” capitalistic system, I can scarcely identify any better available alternative for mankind to survive today, in Liberty, and capable of enjoying a rare commodity: Hope.

Consequently, while any sensible individual would agree with the general concept whereby “those who profess to have a better system of governance than others, they are ALL liars”, those with the necessary education and sagacity, are likely to also realize that at least some of these LIARS are ATTEMPTING to do “something” to improve the Status Quo, as oppose to blindly criticizing every possible, existing political-economical system without providing any viable alternative…
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cata, you are looking too much to the lofty skies and not seeing the doo doo at your feet
written by asp, September 10, 2009
i dont know , cat ,you go ahead and beleive what you want, your words arnt ringing true to me...

its not that i am so capatalist, and anti this and pro that...i hate hyper capatalism, and , beleive in capatalism with a concience with social programs. some might say that is contradictory, but, after what we have learned from the greed is good crowd and how absolutly a failure their way is , i would think smart people who want to leave something for their children to survive with, would want to deal with something that works.

comunism is out, it just is a plain failure.i dont care if another place is socialist, its the red flaggers all over the world who spout word vomit phrases like capatalism is the evil and the usa is the root of this evil , and should by destroyed , that make them sound so stupid when china has adapted those capatalistic methods as well as anyone else who wants to move their markets. but if socialist minded leaders arnt in to the dogma and are playing the market game like every one else, no problem with me...

the thing about capatalism, some of its really great points is like, it is one of the only little powers the small man owns in this world to be able not give his business to someone who doesnt treat him well or abuses him as a customer. he has the right to take it to the competition down the street...and a person if they have the right iniciative and luck, can try to open their own business and through their hard work, or ability to stab you in the back,can get ahead

and, as a person who has travled to three continents in a small time on some ocasions, its been very comforting to see items you recognise and trust , even in a place you dont speak the language, on the market shelves...

at the same time, i am a small business man always being killed by the corporations, i know the frustrations of never being able to win against them . i know the stories of robber barrons and that the uber rich play a differant game than the rest of us...but i dont feel like abandoning the game, to be able to play the game is precious in comparison to being told what you have to do what you cant make and what you have to beleive. and the very few people at the top of the totarian regimes live the uber rich lives

as well as that, capatalism is closer to what the real big plan ...the plan of the universe...the survival of the species that is written into our deepest being that sais you have to compete to survive and get ahead...the ideologies that say you have to be told what to do and what to think and what doctor you have to go to...and that every one will have the same and you cant get ahead on your own accord...they go against human nature, and that is why they fail...you cant force that on people...

other than that,cata,you seem to weave these elaborate detailed fairy tales . its like these brilliant logics built out of shit..the foundation just doesnt ring true for me
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Augustus
written by João da Silva, September 10, 2009
A brilliant essay with a superb conclusion/question:

Consequently, while any sensible individual would agree with the general concept whereby “those who profess to have a better system of governance than others, they are ALL liars”, those with the necessary education and sagacity, are likely to also realize that at least some of these LIARS are ATTEMPTING to do “something” to improve the Status Quo, as oppose to blindly criticizing every possible, existing political-economical system without providing any viable alternative…


The key phrase that caught my attention was "without providing any viable alternative"


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written by AUGUSTUS SEVERUS, September 10, 2009
That was PRECISELY my main point...
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written by João da Silva, September 10, 2009
That was PRECISELY my main point..


And consistent with your principles that are reflected in the articles you have published in the sister magazine as well as your regular comments on the issues that affect the world in general and Brasil in particular. My kudos again.

Hopefully you will write another article soon.
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Joao - another article?
written by AUGUSTUS SEVERUS, September 10, 2009
Perhaps when I return from South America in October...
Just getting ready for the trip... I lack the necessary concentration... Have been spending too much time discussing issues in instant messenger with family and friends, one of which has "lists" of required items...
It's going to be peculiar, if I access any of the BRAZZIL sites while actually in Brazil...
I suspect it will "feel" rather strange
Surely, I will not have sufficient time to spare, not just because of all the "visits" but also because I look forward to re-visiting many places in Sao Paulo & Rio de Janeiro...
I still cannot believe that I will actually be there in less than 2 weeks…
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written by João da Silva, September 10, 2009
Just getting ready for the trip... I lack the necessary concentration...


Yeah I understand. It is so good to know that you are visiting the home country, especially SP & Rio. Make sure you talk to the "Aristocrats", "The Rulers" as well as the "Commoners". Collect their opinion and sure like hell, you will be able to get inspiration to write another article from the perspective of a "Brasilian Exile".

The trick is to keep an open mind and not look down on the "Commoners". smilies/wink.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/grin.gif
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