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Unions in France Oppose Brazil Getting Military Technology PDF Print E-mail
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Tuesday, 15 September 2009

Dassault factory Workers unions from France are not pleased with the transfer of military technology to Brazil recently agreed between Brazilian president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and his French counterpart Nicholas Sarkozy.

"There's something which troubles us in this contract and is the fact that Brazil wants to have its own military air industry and that the agreement with Dassault, the French government and the Brazilian government includes the transfer of technology," said Dominique Richard, a workers union leader from Dassault Aviation, France's main aircraft manufacturer.

Dassault designed and builds the Rafale fighter-bomber which France is prepared to sell to Brazil.

On signing a major military hardware agreement with French president Sarkozy, Lula said he was inclined to choose the French fighter Rafale because France is prepared to transfer sensitive technology and would also allow them to be assembled in Brazil.

Brazilian Foreign Affairs minister Celso Amorim also revealed that France is prepared to authorize the sale of those aircrafts to other Latin American countries.

Meanwhile Brazil will continue to consider the French offer for the Rafale, together with Boeing's F-18 Super Hornet and Sweden's Saab, Gripen.

Union leader Richard told Brazilian daily Folha de S. Paulo that the agreement threatens Dassault Aviation jobs in France.

Brazilian Defense minister Nelson Jobim has repeatedly said that with French technology, Brazil plans to become the leading military hardware manufacturer in Latinamerica with the largest military-industrial complex in the region.

However from France, Dassault in an official statement denied that the military cooperation agreement reached between France and Brazil, which includes submarines and helicopters, would have a negative impact on French jobs.

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Augustus
written by João da Silva, September 15, 2009
I repeatedly kept on telling you and Mr.Amaral that the French are:

CHEATERS, LIARS & UNRELIABLE.

BUT.....BUT...... you both were soo excited about the deal and insisted that the French Technology is the State of the Art one. Now what are we going to do? Sue the French labor unions?

Never ever trust the French. They are all CHEATERS and LIARS. If you have any doubt, ask ch.c. smilies/wink.gif smilies/cheesy.gif
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Cappo
written by Johnny Corleone, September 15, 2009
LIARS; aren´t we all?
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ALL LIARS ! ILS SONT TOUS DES MENTEURS ! De är alla lügnera ! Sie sind alle Lügner! Eles sao todos MENTIROSOS ! Sono tutti i bugiardi !
written by EPSILON ERIDANI, September 16, 2009
Det svenska alternativet bör vara ansett
L'option suédoise devrait être considérée
Die schwedische Wahl sollte betrachtet werden
L'opzione svedese dovrebbe essere considerata
A opção sueca deveria ser considerada
THE SWEDISH OPTION SHOULD BE CONSIDERED
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the French are: CHEATERS, LIARS & UNRELIABLE !!!!!!
written by ch.c., September 16, 2009
Joao...is it not what I also said TIME AND AGAIN...TIME AND AGAIN ?
Brits are not any different by the way !

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Where I disagree with your comments is on their technologies.They are top TOP NOTCH !!
High speed trains - Concorde - Nuclear submarines - Nuclear Power Plants - Atomic bombs - Underground metros - etc etc !

But this said I am not surprised of the French workers reaction.
Typically FRENCH.
On the other hand they are not totally WRONG !
WOULD BRAZIL BE SO READY TO PROVIDE ITS TECHNOLOGY TO OTHERS COUNTRIES OF YOUR APPARENT.... WORLD BEST....URANIUM ENRICHMENT TECHNOLOGY ??????? If you have such a technology....as Brazil pretends ...of course !

Just think about the Robbing Hook and Brazilians contradictions !
Also such as why not having a BRAZILIAN technology transfer, let say to Argentina and/or Bolivia and why not to Colombia. Venezuela, Mexico or India, Philipines, Malaysia, South Africa.........OF YOUR EMBRAER TECHNOLOGIES !!!!!

Are You Joao, Robbing Hook or Brazilians in general SO READY ?????????

More than doubtful for sure.
Just think about it...the other way now if French are so wrong....after all !
Hmmmmmm !
Brazil always WANTS to get something...but never ever provide the reciprocity.
Quite the same at the WTO level...for example.
BRAZILIANS HAVE ONLY A ONE WAY MIND...NOTHING ELSE !
If I am wrong then sell your Embraer technologies to one or more of the above countries.
No doubt one or more of them are MORE THAN READY ! Especially if on top of the deal...it would be mostly financed by
Supra National Agencies such as is the case with the RAFALE negotiations...if you would look closely to the financing packages !

Hey...hey !
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The (previous) DELINQUENT IS RIGHT (for once!) - Gripen NG for Brazil - Sweden: one of the most civilized (and reliable) nations
written by AUGUSTUS SEVERUS, September 16, 2009
Hopefully Celso Amorin will pay attention to the Viking descendants
SAAB TAKES PART IN THE CONTINUED FIGHTER PROCUREMENT PROCESS IN BRAZIL
The tender process for Brazil has been going on since June 2008. The Brazilian Air Force has now clarified that the process will continue according to plan.

Gripen offers Brazil a complete solution. Gripen NG is the world’s most technologically advanced multi-role fighter aircraft with built in Net centric warfare (NCW) technologies and capabilities developed specifically for Brazil.
The Gripen NG for Brazil in short:
- A powerful and proven engine
- AESA radar
- Advanced Communication systems
- Tactical Data Link
- Supercruise
- Advanced Electronic warfare
- Strategic reach
- Advanced Weapons Capacity
Why Brazil should choose Gripen
- Gripen NG is the world’s most technologically advanced multi-role fighter aircraft with built in Net centric warfare (NCW) technologies and capabilities developed specifically for Brazil.
- Gripen will meet or exceed every operational requirement raised by the Brazilian Air Force in all roles - Air to Air Fighter BVR/WVR, Air to Surface land and sea, and recce.
- Gripen will provide exceptional autonomous multi and swing role capability in normal and hostile FOB operations, and act as a perfect force multiplier.
- Gripen will, over life, have a substantially lower real Life Cycle Cost than its nearest single engined competitor, and is able to operate at a fraction of the cost of its twin engined competitors.
- Gripen NG is the only option for Brazil delivering next generation technical and military capabilities.
- Gripen NG will allow Brazil to become a significant partner in the development programme and become a platform for future technology programmes.
- In combination with the Industrial Cooperation program, Gripen’s program for FAB, Brazilian Defence and industrial establishment will make Brazil by 2020 completely independent of the need to purchase combat aircraft from other countries and make it an exporter of aircraft like Sweden.
NOTEWORTHY DETAIL - GRIPEN HAS SOLID, TESTED EUROPEN CLIENTS
- Czech guardians signed off
On 1 September the Czech Air Force signed off as guardians of the Baltic skies after four month on NATO Quick Reaction Alert from the Siauliai air base in Lithuania.
- Gripen at International Air Tattoo
The weekend July 18-19 Gripen from the Swedish and Hungarian air forces flew at the Royal International Air Tattoo in the UK.


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GRIPEN VIDEO
written by AUGUSTUS SEVERUS, September 16, 2009
FROM YOU-TUBE
Gripen is the first new-generation multi-role/swing-role fighter to enter service worldwide and combines high performence, outstanding maneuverability and fully integrated information and weapons system

JUST BEAUTIFUL, SEEMINGLY POWERFUL, AND IMPRESSIVE!!! smilies/angry.gif
VIDEO = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52-gASZ1brQ
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DELINQUENT COMMENT INTENDED FOR E.T.
written by AUGUSTUS SEVERUS, September 16, 2009
BAD POSTING TIMING...
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RESPONSE FOR CH-C
written by AUGUSTUS SEVERUS, September 16, 2009
IT'S ALL A MATTER OF NATIONAL INTEREST!!!
Lying, Convert Operations, Deceptive Maneuvers, Two-Sided Tricks, Hidden Agendas
That’s the way of the world
That’s how Rome, Spain, France, Britain, the United States and (currently) China played (or are playing) the game…
WHY NOT BRAZIL???
One should strive to (at least pretend) leaving good old (typically human) HIPOCRESY under cover for once, shan’t we?
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JOAO - WHAT ABOUT THIS GRIPPEN VIDEO?
written by AUGUSTUS SEVERUS, September 16, 2009
What about meeting one of those birds in the road from Caracas to Boa Vista?
fab birds for F.A.B. ==> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJQKCUjcslM&NR=1
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Augustus
written by João da Silva, September 16, 2009
The (previous) DELINQUENT IS RIGHT (for once!) - Gripen NG for Brazil - Sweden: one of the most civilized (and reliable) nations


Finally it dawned on you, eh, kid. smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/wink.gif

Hopefully Celso Amorin will pay attention to the Viking descendants


You better ask our Geneve based agent (Un Homme san Frontiérre) about this gentleman. Believe it or not, he knows him personally!!!!!

The Brazilian Air Force has now clarified that the process will continue according to plan.


Bloody right. FAB has some sharp brains and I can vouch for it. This "process" will continue unless our Commander-In-Chief overrides them and decides on "Political and strategic" reasons.

Re your response to ch.c:

IT'S ALL A MATTER OF NATIONAL INTEREST!!!


The first priority of the "Rulers" is to take care of the interests of the common citizens who elected them. That is what I call "National Interest". What is the point in deciding to buy 36 untested fighter planes for "Political and Strategic" reasons, by putting the fear of God into people´s mind and telling them that someone is out to get our "pre-salt" oil reserve? Then outsourcing the defense to Sarko?

To be honest, this whole episode reinforces your theory of "Polarization" and mine about the next 13 months being "crucial" for Brasil.

Who knows, by mid October you will be ready to publish another interesting article. smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/tongue.gif
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Augustus
written by João da Silva, September 16, 2009
JOAO - WHAT ABOUT THIS GRIPPEN VIDEO?


I have seen it and I know a bit about Gripen. Who knows we may end up choosing it and manufacturing in S.J. dos Campos. smilies/wink.gif smilies/cheesy.gif.

Our ITA/IME engineers are not all that bad. Just that they are apolitical.
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JOAO - in connection with your comments to an EALIER REPLY....
written by AUGUSTUS SEVERUS, September 16, 2009
My reply to Central Europe, regarding National Interest... was not SPECIFIC to this topic (just also including it).... Not about deciding on the purchase of 36 fighers
RATHER IT PERTAINED TO ALL MATTERS OF NATIONAL INTEREST... WHICH SHOULD NATURALLY INCLUDE:
Lying,
Convert Operations,
Deceptive Maneuvers,
Two-Sided Tricks,
Hidden Agendas
AND
anything else over and under the table, whenever necessary.
IF THE OTHERS HAVE DONE... SO CAN WE!!!!!
AGAIN.... NO HIPOCRESY HERE!
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gripen
written by sage, September 16, 2009
i absolutely agree about the Gripen. The commercial relationship will also be better 'balanced'.
the problem - what to do about he american components this plane uses.
answer - replace them w/ equivalents (maybe engines used in eurofighter, mig or sukhoi, etc.)
brazilian engineers s/b smart enough to figure these things out & make the correct modifications

i agree w/ ch.c 100% about the slimey anglo-saxons, frogs & zionists - 100% unreliable cheaters & crooks.
in my business experience the most reliable partners are germanic (germany, austria, switzerland) scandanavians, japanese & singaporean
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In agreement with SAGE regarding the GERMANIC/SCANDINAVIAN assessment
written by AUGUSTUS SEVERUS, September 16, 2009
Although I’m also an American citizen, I have to admit the many limitations regarding American parts, or any issue regarding technology transfer (particularly in connection with weaponry). Yet, perhaps SAGE might be somewhat harsh regarding his feelings towards the United Kingdom, albeit admitting being partial to them due to strong former personal ties and even stronger cultural affinity – thus, I’d rather remain neuter on that point…

As for the Nipponese element, I have reservations of trust, along with strong objections regarding their racial stance…

Finally, I must unfortunately confess my complete inability to concur with your views on Switzerland, which I tend to consider a highly hypocritical nation, which lacks a true identity (French/German/Italian/Roman), In addition, most Helvetian citizens seem to be unable either to express their TRUE feelings, or to demonstrate blatant racist proclivities…
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Augustus
written by João da Silva, September 16, 2009
As for the Nipponese element, I have reservations of trust, along with strong objections regarding their racial stance…


Objections,Objections........ Please bear in mind that the boss of our FAB is a Nippo Brasilian and a top notch Fighter Pilot. Good manager too.Put his foot down in this whole episode and made his position very clear. Our Nippos are great to work with and real Comrades.
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OBJECTIONS NOT EXTENDED TO NIPPO-BRAZILIANS - MY DEEP, STRONG OBJECTIONS ARE RESTRICTED TO THE NATIVE JAPANESE!
written by AUGUSTUS SEVERUS, September 16, 2009
During my brief assignment to Sao Paulo in 2000, I had the opportunity to mee several of them. There are NO issues there whatsoever!
My objection is not racial, but rather the actual (TRUE) Nipponese racist attitude (those in Japan proper).
In fact, their extreme racism is even extended to their own kind who resides abroad! So much so, that the Japanese have a special terminology to refer to them, as something "tarnished" by virtue of being influenced by foreigners...
The main example of this issue can be found even in their intellectual community, since they actually had a scientist who FORGED archeological data in order to try proving that the Japanese men had evolved separately from all others (thereby attempting to refute empirical data to the effect that the Japanese (similar to Koreans) came from China, and, like everybody else, ultimately from Africa).
Needless to say, we can always point to the unforgivable crimes committed by Japan, during the Second World War, specifically the Rape of Nanjing, where they systematically murdered the remaining Chinese inhabitants which were not protected by Western diplomatic officials… Moreover, UNLIKE Germany, where the guilt is acknowledged, expressed and displayed everywhere, as lessons for future generations, Japanese History books – to this day – deny the massacre of Nanjing as well as the enslavement of Korean females who were turned to prostitutes to “serve the Imperial Navy”. No… I shall never trust, respect, or even tolerate the Japanese Empire!
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Augustus
written by João da Silva, September 16, 2009
OBJECTIONS NOT EXTENDED TO NIPPO-BRAZILIANS - MY DEEP, STRONG OBJECTIONS ARE RESTRICTED TO THE NATIVE JAPANESE!


I am glad that you spared our Nippo brothers and sisters. After all they are just Brasilians, like Silvas, Perreiras, Amarals, etc;

Japanese have a special terminology to refer to them, as something "tarnished" by virtue of being influenced by foreigners...


The terminology is "Gaijin"

No… I shall never trust, respect, or even tolerate the Japanese Empire!


You are too radical. You have to remember that during the WW 2, our German and Italian (especially the German Brasilians) were persecuted by our government. Nippo Brasilians didn't know who Tojo was; The German Brasilians hardly knew who Corporal.Hiltler was. Italo Brasilians couldn't care less about that caudilho Mussolini. In fact the Brasilians didn't know about Churchill not Roosevelt. For that matter, the present generation doesn't know who this OBL is and why the Americans are on a "hot pursuit" of this guy.

It is a mad, mad, mad world, Milord. You better get accustomed to it. smilies/cheesy.gif
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written by João da Silva, September 16, 2009
brazilian engineers s/b smart enough to figure these things out & make the correct modifications


100% in agreement about our Electronic, Electrical and Mechanical Engineers. I wouldn't place too much faith on our Architects or "Uncivil" engineers. Thank God, the uncivil engineers don't have much say in the issue under discussion. smilies/wink.gif
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