Just hurd on the BBC that Z is calling for his people to come to the captioal and rise up
to fight the illeagle governme t of hounduras .

even though the surpream court od the country , members of his own party and the military put him out .

IS THIS THE MAN YOUR LULA WANTS TO DEFEND
to turn the brasilian embassy into a war zone
chaves ahs already made a small move of troops to a air base in his country so are para troopers going to fall over hounduras from chaves and lula ????

does brasil realy want to get into this mess military wise .
the US said it was leagle and so do many other countries .
and the UN will step in only after many people are killed .

way to pick them lulaboy

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If your buddy does not vacate our embassy within 10 days, what sort of action do you recommend to your idol, Dr.Cata? Dot ask him to read the books you recommended to us. Too many books to read within 10 days.

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does brasil realy want to get into this mess military wise .

Forrest, you know as well as I do that a vast majority of Brasilians do not want to get into this mess. I have written extensively about my opinion of U.N., our reluctance to get into somebody else´s problem when our rear and side flanks are quite open and vulnerable. A majority of the Brasilians do not even know where Honduras is located.

the US said it was leagle and so do many other countries .

I think that PBO dumped the problem on us, like GWB did in the case of Haiti. Our leadership that so badly wants to get a permanent seat in the U.N. security Council is being challenged, though I have said several times that U.N. is dying a slow death like the "League Of Nations" and I cant figure out why we want to get into the coffin. In spite of my insistence that it was not a coup in Honduras (Because, I did do some quick research on their constitution), many of our fellow bloggers are upset with me and insist that the Honduran Military staged a coup and took over power. By end November, they will have Presidential elections and according to what I know, Micheletti has even invited International Observers, including your ex-President Jimmy Carter. It is beyond my comprehension why the entire world, PBO and Lula are calling Micheltti a "Golpista".

and the UN will step in only after many people are killed .

I am getting a bad feeling about this and I am sure that there are going to be many "Martyrs" and Zelaya is certainly not going to be one of them.

If you recall, Augustus and I have been against our meddling in this affair, right from the start. BUT...BUT... stand by to watch a novela during the next 10 days

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with RA and lulaboy the world will be safe from the US

he even said if the US had not stoped german brasil would be better off today

my people said the gas they were using on brasils embassy was no more than the local drunks pissing on the fires set around the embassy

sounds like san jarom in brasil

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VENEZUELA AND BRAZIL SHOULD SEND THERE MILITARY TO THE HONDURAS BORDER IMMEDIATELY. VENEZUELA SHOULD PUBLICLY REQUEST THAT THE UNITED NATIONS BRING CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST THE COUP LEADERS. I AM SURE THAT ONCE THIS IS DONE, THE COUP LEADERS WILL FALL PEACEFULLY IN AN EFFORT TO AVOID PROSECUTION.

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And then you criticize my country of doing so...with our neutrality !
Short memory ?
Right ?

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Hugo is way more powerful than I thought he was, to the detriment of everyone. Looks like Venezuela is turning into the South American Iran, with Chavez equaling Achmadinejad.

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So here we have the truth to expose all the liars;

1) THE HONDURAN COUP IS ORGANIZED AND FUNDED BY U.S. RIGHT-WING FORCES
2) THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT UNDER BARACK OBAMA IS POWERLESS TO STOP U.S. COMPANIES FROM FUNDING HONDURAN COUP (or does not want to)
3) AMERICAN NEO-CONS FACE-OFF U.S. STATE DEPT IN HONDURAN COUP
4) "PLANTATION POLITICS" ALIVE AND WELL IN CENTRAL AMERICA

Once again, I ask all seeking the truth to "follow the money". This is the opening scenario in the use of those bases in Columbia. To prop up and support the US
agenda for plantation economies throughout Central and South America. Until the US Congress repeals PLAN COLUMBIA Latin America is experiencing the first
stages of the next phase in the colonization of Latin America.
Everyone will see the same situations occurring in Africa, thus the US has, for the first time, instituted a military cadre (AFRICA COMMAND) just for Africa. The
colonialists of the Empire are making a last best effort to reaffirm their power over the nations of the southern hemispheres and to extend their power and
influence into the 21st Century.

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Dude,

You certainly must be posting this nonsense just to get a reaction out of people, because nobody outside of a mental institution could be this stupid. I'm assuming you have internet access in your hospital.... Or, perhaps, you're a friggin dumbass political science student in Sao Paulo and have the big Ché poster on the wall in your bedroom at your Mom's house.

You're obviously no student of history: Do you not think that if the "imperialists" in Washington actually wanted to "colonialize" South America they would have done it 60 years ago?

Just tell me one place where the US invaded, colonialized, and flies an American flag. And don't say Hawaii you dolt.

God. You idiots are fascinating.

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Just because you still think there are WMD in Iraq, soon you will find WMD in Venezuela, right?

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http://www.earlyamerica.com/ea.../text.html

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Eisenhower's_farewell_address

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Suggested Continuing Your Education....

Thanks you so much for providing the links , Dr.Cata, so that peasants like me can have free access to the information and not to have to buy books recommended by you. Anyway, those books are not available in the local stores!

I liked Eisenhower´s farewell speech a lot better than the ones given by the recent Presidents of your country. I hope the "Plantation Overseers" in this continent get to read it and quit at the right time with dignity and honor.

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João,
--- I liked Eisenhower´s farewell speech a lot better than the ones given by the recent Presidents of your country. I hope the "Plantation Overseers" in this continent get to read it and quit at the right time with dignity and honor. ---

You see, my friend, there is no reason to invent conspiracies since there are too many credible voices to confirm the truth!

For my friend Zico - Just tell me one place where the US invaded, colonialized, and flies an American flag.
I can only say that the 2 most costly invasions in US history; Vietnam and Iraq, both proven to be invasions predicated by lies and liars. "Gulf of Tonkin" - Robert MacNamara, and Iraq - Donald Rumsfeld. Both men proven to be liars sending innocent people to death with their lies. One is an admitted liar and the other awaits histories verdict. As far as colonies, we now longer call them that. They are now called "US INTERESTS" of which we have in every corner of the Earth. As far as flying the American flag; do you not see that it has become stained by shameless greed and corporate corruption?

No, my friend, lies have 'friends' everywhere, but the truth does not need them!

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Welll I agree on your critics to Cata, but on your statement above you have a short memory that the FLUFFY USA lost war against
poors farmers in VIETNAM.
And worse, they even did not win in....SOMALIA !

Better yet, Russia lost in Aghanistan and returned home humilitaed after 10 years ! And now the USA is not winning anything in the same country after its invasion 8 years agp and after having spent about US$ 300-400 billion ! Bin Laden is by no doubt the world MOST expensive man ! And he is STILL FREE....by the way and despite America said it will be a SHORT TIME INVASION !
RIGHT OR NOT ZICO ?

And what about IRAQ ?
Was it not America who have shown many satelites pictures about Iraq WMD and had their CIA (Central Idiots Agency) renamed secretly to CDA (Central Disinformationsss Agency)
Yesssss after its 6th year Iraq invasion and about US$ 600-800 billion spent....WHERE ARE THESE WMDs....shown on the satelites
pictures ? There too it was supposed to be a SHORT TIME INVASION !
The World Most Expensive WMD per ounce are certainly...IRAQI WMD......FOR SURE !
Ohhhh and despite the insistence that the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) said...THERE WAS NOOOOOOOO WMD IN IRAQ - EVERYTHING CLEANED OUT AFTER THE FIRST IRAQI WAR - America still insited there were many WMD there to justify their INVASION---WITH THEIR SATELITES PICTURES !!!!!

Lets face it :
AMERICA LOVE WARSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !
They cant live without having ONE OR TWO permanently !
And a few years before one of their war will be over, they already prepare the next one(s) SLOWLY BUT SURELY AND..... DISCREETLY !


Which is the next one(s) ? Iran ? South Korea ? Or a regional major crisis in Africa or....SOUTH-CENTRAL AMERICA ????

Time will tell !

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Your comments are highly interesting and thought provoking as usual.

BUT...BUT...BUT... as far as I can see, you seem to agree with our distinguished friend Dr.Cata!! Unless you read "Eisenhower´s farewell address", it is very difficult to decode what Dr.Cata wants to transmit. He is calling both McNamara and Rumsfeld as Liars, Cheaters and Hiders.

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Please do not mistake my words with the FACTS!

MacNamara ADMITTED to the world, and apologized to the Vietnamese for lying.
Rumsfeld is still looking for WMD before he has to admit killing Iraqis for oil and bases in the Mid-East.
*** these liars will never apologize for the Americans killed in these wars because they still pretend they died for their country, which is worse ***
...and the US media still projects these men as loyal Americans when they are in fact mass murderers! (MY WORDS, SUPPORTED BY THE FACTS!)

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ENOUGH WITH NON-SENSICAL, LEFT WING (so called intellectual) EXTREMIST POPULIST, NEO-LENINIST PROPAGANDA

Consequently, shedding the manners expected of rank... I second (and third - lol) the words expressed by Zico

Cata's Imagination & Conspiracy
written by Zico, September 28, 2009

PARTICULARLY...

Do you not think that if the "imperialists" in Washington actually wanted to "colonialize" South America they would have done it 60 years ago?

EVEN THOUGH... there´s something to be said about ´MID TWENTIETH Century neo-colonialism´, which is an ENTIRELY different issue
LET´s HOWEVER, concentrate - for now - in the STUPIDITY of RIDICULOUS (LIME) brazilian pseudo-socilalist (Chavez capacho in waiting) canival display at the EMBASSY (an embassy-turned-globe theater - Tegucigalpa branch), disrespecting its hosts in Honduras

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LET´s HOWEVER, concentrate - for now - in the STUPIDITY of RIDICULOUS (LIME) brazilian pseudo-socilalist (Chavez capacho in waiting) canival display at the EMBASSY (an embassy-turned-globe theater - Tegucigalpa branch), disrespecting its hosts in Honduras

You are quite right. We have to focus. In order to do so, I am outsourcing this task to Dr.Cata. After all, he is a Vietnam Veteran, American (Grew up in NYC, if I recall) and is not afraid of McNamara or Rummy Dumbsfeld.

Ok, Lloyd, it is your turn to take the discussion further. BTW, I don't trust that Geleía of Honduras. He seems to be a "Pavão". But there again, considering that there are just 25 families "Ruling" the plantation of Honduras, it might turn out to be "briginha dos primos" and we the Brasilian Tax Payers are being dragged into this fight unnecessarily by our Headman (whom you like so much)!!!!!!

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So far I have made the case for;

1) US right-wing support for this rediculous coup... True ( ) or False ( )
2) US corporations using Latin American countries and workers as "plantations"... True () or False ()
*** note: Zelayas 'real crime' was to try to raise the minimum wage. Something lost in the noise! ***
3) US government lying to the world to incite war... True () or False ()

All, I get back is, "That's in the past!". Well, we still have Cuba, Grenada, Panama, and Iraq.
BTW, I do support the US mission in Afghanistan, but not the strategy. Remember, the US created Al Queda to defeat the Russians! Do we really expect Dr. Frankenstein to kill his creation? Well, I am prepared to give Mr. Obama the benefit of the doubt, but the last 8 years have not been convincing to anyone but Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney (2 more liars).

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BTW, I do support the US mission in Afghanistan, but not the strategy.

Please do tell us all the reasons for supporting the "US mission" in Afghanistan. For Chrissake, Lloyd, you know as well as I do that the U.S. has "outsourced" this so called "mission" to the Canucks, Germans, Dutch, Brits, etc; As for your "strategy", do you have any?

Well, I am prepared to give Mr. Obama the benefit of the doubt,

Why? Was he not the one who has sent more troops to Khyber and Bolan passes to confront the "Monsters" of Dr.Frankenstein? Now, your newly elected "ruler" wants to send troops to Pakistan also, just to cheer up the new "ruler" (another Caudilho) of that great country. I personally think that a 3 month stint in Quetta will do very good for your soul.

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Joao... It must be conceded that, my rather limited tolerance for the endless flow of absurd - traditionally in the good old Kremlim style (I must add) - DISINFORMATION BY CONCOCTED by clever, deceitful neo-Leninist, neo-trotskyae (in some absurd temporary ideological truce) in order to DISRUPT or otherwise endeavour to contribute to the demise of Western Civilizationion FROM WITHIN...
CLEVER and often, instrumental for several instances of disruption as abundantly described throughout the History of the Western world
in order to DISRUPT or otherwise endeavour to contribute to the demise of Western Civilizationion FROM WITHIN...

joao - on a totally separate topic, it is quite refreshing to mentally conjure up the lovely cool English country side in early may in order to continue withstanding the scalding, insufferable hot humid weather which is unfortunately not uncommon here in Rio de Janeiro... If only I could retun to Pauliceia - infinitely more agreeable!!!!!

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Dear Friends...for we have seen the most vicious of enemies become friends in this race for global supremacy. So do not discount the harshness of my words with the very real need to speak with respect for the innocent people who are being killed, maimed, and dispossessed in these continuous conflicts represented as "US interests" around the globe. The world is really beginning to wonder just what those "interests" are...nest pas?". This phony "war on drugs" and misguided "war on terror" is fundamentally "corporate violence" perpetrated upon innocent people, ON BOTH SIDES.There is no turning away from the reality of the violence and dehumanization of innocent people who are victims of terror and drug dependence (except in some societies who "manage" their drug dependent populations very well). So in each instance there are victims, whether by terror, or greed, or drugs and drug violence, or state-sponsored violence of the domestic or foreign manufacture. State-sponsored and corporate-sponsored terror upon innocent people actually have never been higher. Understand that when Texaco/Chevron poisons the people of Ecuador, that is corporate-sponsored terrorism. The effect on lives is no different and the coming proposal for Hondurans to pay for water is an outrage that even the Romans could not pull off. Only the IMF would impose such a draconian tax on the whole of society, such as the present plan for Haiti leaving the people of Haiti ever so poorer. The world should note this! If the caudillos in Honduras cannot supply their people who are already impoverished with water, what chance have they at a doctor or a school. NO,NO!!! That is Socialism. Where is the profit in that? Do you see what the IMF is doing to Haiti, with the help of Brazilian troops? The Haitian people are so impoverished under the "benevolent" oversight of US-engineered coup carried out against a "democratically elected" leader, Mr. Aristide. Do you see how they spirited him out of his home in the dark? Do these similarities have any evidence upon you? Are you so immune to the despair of the Haitian people after such benevolence? Once again, sir, I ask you, "Have you no shame? Have you no dignity, to deny what is before your eyes?"

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In the matter of Afghanistan and the "war on terror"; the present military commander has it pretty much right. It cannot be won militarily, and this is something that has been a difficult lesson for the US to learn. IT'S THE PEOPLE, STUPID! Eventually they will chase you from your throne, and you cannot defeat a people committed to throw off the chains. The Israelis really do understand this mentality because they are faced directly with it every day. This is what they found out when they first began confronting women suicide bombers. Educated women, with children who were faced with the prospect of another 50 years of oppression and apartheid. Understand that they will stand in front of your tanks for the sake of "real freedom". Capitalist after all will only kill so many innocents because they need the rest for profit and production. Is it any wonder that the "contractor force" in Iraq is now larger than the military force. They changed the name from BlackWater to XE, but its the same people carrying the big guns, at the expense of the US taxpayer. What a deal! I should be happy because my children and their children will answer for this, maybe militarily and certainly financially. All based on lies!!! The general is correct that he must turn into a police force to "protect" the people of Afghanistan just as he would protect any American and when the people understand that, basic human understanding, they go on with their lives. You cannot "terrorize" the entire Afghan population in the cause of catching maybe 50,000 hardcore Taliban and Al Queda. That is state-sponsored terrorism by an alien force. The only worse thing in the world is domestic state-sponsored terrorism whether practiced by Mr. Kim in Korea or Mr. Mugabe in Zimbabwe. My critics would prefer I mention Mr. Castro, but I answer them harshly to look at the situation in Haiti, and imagine if Mr. Castro had not acted as he did. Ask the Cuban people if they have schools and doctors and no swollen belies from hunger. There is state-sponsored social security if not freedom of speech or association, much of it due to the persecution imposed by it larger aggressive neighbor to the north. The Cuban people are poor, but they are proud, and rightly so. Cubans are the only people born outside the US who immediately are conferred citizenship upon arrival in the USA. Surely, these people must be "special"
Finally, the terrorists and counter-terrorist, on both sides, must understand their enemy. Who would you suppose understands their enemy best, the coalition against terror or the terrorists? The terrorists are no longer peasants with pitchforks, or soldiers with guns. they are educated in the ways of their enemy, and that is the lesson and the reason that the military alone cannot win. Just like the corporate terrorists, these terrorists have trained at the best universities, are Western-Educated and trained in the use of marketing and technology and are as passionate in their cause as any soldier fighting for foreign or domestic state-sponsored terrorists. The soldiers are victims just like just like innocent people. Lies and deceit on both sides fuel an unending industry of violence, but it is the corporate terrorism backed by the states-sponsored terrorism that manufactures the arms and the benefits from the death and suffering, no matter who wins. As President Eisenhower warned the American people; the military-industrial-complex, both domestically within the US, which has more people in prisons than all the other industrialized countries put together, and through the outsourcing of global violence through military misadventures, is the only winner. Certainly, Al Queda struck a huge blow at the US economic empire which no military campaign can diminish. Even both wars with Germany did not cost the American people so much. You see, it is not only the Iraqi or Afghan child, but an American child will sleep in a tent this winter, because the same people who finance the weapons for war around the world, who finance the factories in Honduras, who finance the private armies, who finance the media propagandists, are unwilling to finance a decent home. Yet, this corporate-backed state-sponsored terrorism goes unchallenged except by those willing to give their lives in a desperate struggle for dignity and freedom from draconian corporate capitalism. It will not even survive in the United States of America, because my children and grandchildren will not pay the bill, they will rebel against economic slavery imposed by a state without conscience bought and paid for by greedy capitalists. The truth is becoming clearer each day no mater how they twist the lies. FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!
Mr. Obama has already warned the bankers that he is "the only one between them and the pitchforks". Well, I would respectfully advise the President of the United States that the time is coming for him to GET OUT OF THE WAY!!!

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hot air, cata, really hot air , not that i dont agree with some of your analysis of right wing concervative big money people (these are the people really tanking the usa now)....your analasys doesnt go into any reality checks about the history of the rest of the wolrd...

your boring speech doesnt deserve a long answer from me, so ill give you the short andwer: the whole world is dirty....your prolonged examination of american hemmoroids totaly leaves out the ugly reality of the rest of the world, there for making it invalid...

ch c, i can only refer you to hans pintos correct descriptions of somalia and korea etc..and rio is better than geneva any day of the year

afghanistan ? its up to the people there. if they want talaban and sharia law,they deserve the talaban and they will get them

we can only see what will happen, but , the talaban are total pond scum. do you see what they do to their own people in pakistan ? they bomb open markets with their own muslim people there...the absolute height of hypocrycy and dog scum...the talaban are worth fighting, but its up to the afghan people if they will prevail or not...

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asp -
we can only see what will happen, but , the talaban are total pond scum. do you see what they do to their own people in pakistan ? they bomb open markets with their own muslim people there...the absolute height of hypocrycy and dog scum...the talaban are worth fighting, but its up to the afghan people if they will prevail or not...

Many Americans thought the same way you do, until 9/11. The "short version" indeed is the worlds responsibility to the Afghan people after they have been betrayed by the US after defeating the USSR. The Cold War is over, in the past! Well, 9/11brought it right back to Americas door. We are still cleaning up the mess expressed by the same anuses running Washington, and London, and Berlin. We are still cleaning up the 1948 crap left by the conflicts in World War II, in the Middle-East(Israel) and Africa(Somalia). Do you really think you can wrap it up so nicely and go home?
Give you an analogy (you know what that is, right?). Safe nuclear energy has been possible for the last 40 years; the more safe, the more expensive. The largest energy market in the world rejected nuclear energy because greedy capitalist would not clean up after themselves and left the waste in the American public backyard. See it is sometimes worth watching anuses; first because you don't want to get hit with the products they leave behind and secondly because they are always going to ask someone else to pay for the toilet paper and wipe. Europeans are more to blame for the Middle-East and Central Asia after the shambles they left following WW II in Palestine, India, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Eastern-Europe. The US is still responsible for some of the chaos in South-East Asia in Burma, Cambodia, Laos, and ongoing sickness in Viet Nam. Do you think you can walk away with clean hands? After so much devastation you can sit in your cabana in Rio and forget what has been done to others so you can fornicate and defecate wherever it please you? Yeah, if there's one thing I learned in the war, was to keep myself out of the company of anuses, but I keep the toilet paper handy.
No one ever responds to the crisis in Haiti created by the ever so benevolent Western regimes in Washington and Paris. They cannot defend the indefensible so they quietly wish it would go away. Well that cool drink your having by the beach is helping to pay for the suffering in Haiti, now that Brazilian troops are on the ground there. Perhaps in 20 years, some Haitian child now a man, will bomb a Rio location because of the injustice of an occupying force. It may not be today or tomorrow, but as surely as the ice melts in your cool drink, the day is coming when you will have to wipe your own anus.

As far as mockery...I find it flattering (and some will consider this blasphemous) since my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, was also the victim of mockery, asking Him if He was indeed "King of the Jews", as they murdered him. You see, in this moment, even though like Saul, Zelaya was one with the caudillos. Today he is hated by his own bretheren for asking for justice for those without justice, but he has changed forever in Honduras the past practice of the people having to wipe the anuses of their oppressors. The people of Honduras have endured for many centuries without the textile factories and plantations now owned by US corporations, I expect they will survive after telling the fat anuses to go home. You see, it is possible to be poor, and proud, and rich in spirit, without kneeling at the altar of ungodly people supporting ungodly practices, all in the name of God.

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hey you little punk bitch, now you are getting personal. what f**king right do you have to judge where the f**k i get a drink, you little bitch

little bitches like you think you got it all figured out so now you make your big picture statement about condeming a whole country thinking you really have the right idea about what has happened in this world

yes, ass hole, wars create ridiculas situation and pass it down generations

yes you ass hole, big money runs it , always has and always will...do youreally think any of your idealistic comunist for the people bullshit changes that? you f**king ignorant son of bitch, castro is living the life of a rich mother f**ker telling his people how to think and what they can say and cant

yes ass hole, the usa trained people to fight the soviets and some turned out to be dick heads and the afghan people had their civil war , they have to take the bulk of responsibility for deciding to kill each other .

f**king 1/4 of the north east of china has gengis khan's dna, why the f**k arnt you upset over that? there is a mini holocaust and slavery being relived in the congo so people can have tin in their computors to read the drek you put out, what the f**k do you have to say about that? you dont speak to one drop of shit about what the real problems of this world are

little bitches like you who think you have the right to judge where i drink and whom i fornicate with can go f**k your self with your bullshit big picture conspircy one sided up your ass word vomit

and mother f**ker, you dont have any more social concience of what is needed in this world than i do, you little self rigtcous son of a bitch , its just that your fantacy land socialistic punk bitch philosiphies are so much more full of dog shit

and f**k you ass hole.....oh but before you think youve been banned, f**k you, stay on here all you want, but dont you ever f**king tell me what is wrong with where i drink or who i fornicate with, do you hear me you little punk bitch ?

cata (condenscendingly) 'do you know what an analogy is?" asp "do you know what my foot up your ass is...."

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We are still cleaning up the mess expressed by the same anuses running Washington, and London, and Berlin.

Why did you leave out Paris?

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i tried to be f**king tounge in cheek but it turned out more like f**king dick in the ass.....ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

hows that leak treating you, joao ?

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YOU GOT IT, ASP

hot air, cata, really hot air , not that i dont agree with some of your analysis of right wing concervative big money people (these are the people really tanking the usa now)....your analasys doesnt go into any reality checks about the history of the rest of the wolrd...

FACTUAL OBSERVATIONS EMBEDDED IN PURE, CLASSICAL NEO-LENINIST/TROTSKYITE PROPAGANDA... TO BE EXPECTED, GIVEN THE SOURCE, NATURALLY....

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right now im busy in the cabana drinking and looking for a great whore to bang ,then im going to mccdoanalds....

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No question I have been to places and done things which would confirm that "the man in the mirror" can be an ass, but I have also put my ass on the line to defend the indefensible. The first one I can change for myself, the second I can no longer defend, indeed I will try to expose, hopefully, for the rest of my days. For others it is to go further, since my words are limited and my time is short.

Au revoir...I think I should have a siesta and play with my grandson, the real focus of my delight in this sometimes ugly existence we call life.

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f**king sorry to cata and the forum

It is alright ASP. The wet weather, Cold and your (presumably) Irish blood managed to make you fall into Dr.Cata´s supposedly clever trap. In spite of the leaking roof and the awful weather, I managed to maintain my cool. I understand your outburst as he was classifying an honest hard working and scholarly person like you among those lazy "caudilhos" who sit in "cabanas" , drinking Tequilas and deflowering willing maidens on a Tuesday afternoon ( though we all would love to do it ,when the weather gets warmer).

Even our friend Augustus has come to a hasty conclusion that Cata is a Leninist,Marxist, Trotskyite, etc; Let me assure you both that he is not. I have been studying him for months and mapping his profile and it doesn't surprise me at all when I hear him praising Fidel Castro, Mr.Geléia, Mr.Chavez, Mr.Morales, etc; I was not taken aback when he declared that the only crime Mr.Geléia committed was to increase the Minimum wages for the Hondurans. Have you gentlemen noticed that he hasn't given numbers on the minimum wages in Honduras and the percentage of "increase" Zelaya gave to the oppressed workers of Honduras? He cleverly omitted these details so that we Brasilians will continue giving support to the ousted despot?

So my friends, don't get upset when Dr.Cata goads you all with his stimulating speeches into reacting violently. By heart, he is a Fascist like Mussolini, Franco, Salazar, Fidel, Chavez and his latest hero Mr.Zelaya. I can not wait to see Zelaya being escorted out of our embassy by our PF ably lead by our competent ,capable and law abiding Minister Tarso Genro. If Mr.Genro is too busy, our President can always send our Defense minister who is another competent official to execute this task.

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FOR NOW... I REMAIN WITH MY AUNT... SITTING AROUND WITH LOTS OF FOOD... Oyyyyyy!!!!!
at least the temperature has lowered and the rain has reached RIO today
As for MR. CATA.... DESPITE THE IRRECONCILABLE DIFFERENCES... DESPITE MY STRONG OBJECTIONS TO EXTREME LEFT DISINFORMATION, I MUST CONCUR WITH JOAO THAT HIS VIEWS SHOULD BE WELCOME HERE... (did I actually write this, without being under DURESS????
IF ONLY THIS HORRIFIC KEYBOARD WERE MORE FRIENDLY, OR .... IF ONLY I HAD MY OWN LAPTOP HERE...

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Gee, one is having sumptuous food and another gone to have siesta!!

As for your comment:

As for MR. CATA.... DESPITE THE IRRECONCILABLE DIFFERENCES... DESPITE MY STRONG OBJECTIONS TO EXTREME LEFT DISINFORMATION, I MUST CONCUR WITH JOAO THAT HIS VIEWS SHOULD BE WELCOME HERE...

Actually I have known Mr.Cata for quite sometime in this blog. He is quite knowledgeable and has a great sense of humor, though I like to tease him.Like I used to tease you as "Septemberus" in the beginning of our association!! His views are not very different from that of ASP with regards the "Capitalism with Conscience", though he likes to talk in "Riddles and Puzzles", thus giving an impression that he is a Torskyiste.

Hopefully, he joins us after taking his well deserved Siesta. He cant just leave us, especially when we are confronting the worst diplomatic crisis in the recent time over the "Honduran Fiasco".

What a mess did we get into? The "Polarization" seems to be gaining pace.

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loyld cata, i gleefully jumped on your statements to vent things id like to say to ideologies, certainly not to you personaly....its all in fun...i dont think you or ricardo or ch c or even joao for that matter (didnt want to make you feel excluded this time seu disilva) is an ass....i lived in new york 8 years .... ( ha ,as though that is an excuse)

what i said was meant for the notion that any group in general could come in , and ,based on their ideology tell me what was wrong with what i could do or behave , and could posibly prohibit me from doing it...i am passionate about that , and being free to undulge my passions without judgement by some state authority...and i wanted to convey that passion as every one here has displayed one time or another...feel free to keep the dialougue up, i welcome it...ive already implied things i agree with you about...but others we are miles apart on...

augustus , i see you wont be getting to sobre das ondas tonight, but, maybe another night, in witch case , i expect a detailed report and i would like to live vicariously through you on that night....i still think you should get a plane to where me and joao live and have a cafe in the damn cold and rain.....its going to be 15 and 17 with rain tomaorow...or you could go to the barra and look for mirlela or daniala souza sprauled out in the sand somewhere.....

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I am not Lloyd Cata as you suggested in another blog, although I agree with a lot of what he writes about.

I am just returning from a short work assignment and is trying to catch up on all that has transpired since I left. I mentioned to you when I returned the last time that my regular vessel was layed up due to lack of cargo thus in the mean time I have to catch as much work as I can on other vessels. Thus, I may leave on very short notice.

On another note, before I left the debate was about the return of a military or exmilitary strong man to take over Brasil, polarization in South and Central America and whether there was a military coup in Honduras or not. I believe there was a military coup with a civilian puppet at the front, and I know from what you have written that you do not. However, the following facts speak for themselves.

"But more dramatic than anything was Honduras decision to suspend for 45 days some constitutional rights. A just-issued presidential decree restricts freedom of circulation and expression and public gatherings are forbidden."

"The edict orders the closing of all public institutions taken by demonstrators as well as of media outlets that offend human dignity, civil servants or violate the law. People considered suspect can be detained by the military forces."

Note the words of the very first and last sentences. Next we will be reading that the mysterious elections were cancelled and you will still say that there was no military coup. I also support the Brasilian embassy in Honduras for giving refuge to Zelaya.

Leaving the Honduran crisis aside, what saddens me the most about the debate is the realization that, with the exception of the few countries which I mentioned to you before I left for work, the citizens of South and Central American countries will never enjoy true democracy. The majority will remain uneducated and under the continual domination of individuals backed by military strongmen from both the left and the right. The ideologies of capitalism vs socialism will remain the prevailing issues instead of humanity, human development, and being one brothers keeper.

I am very happy that I grew up in a very small country that did not have 1 tenth of 1 percent of the resources, (natural and otherwise), that Brasil has, and in which uneducated leaders knew the value of an educated citizenry. Instead of focusing on the ideologies of capitalism vs socialism, the uneducated leaders blended best parts of both systems which then enabled them to concentrate on the TOTAL human development of ALL the citizenry. Today, the fruits of their labour shines brightly in my country and many other countries around the world.

Education reduces poverty and conflict while encouraging growth, something most South and Central American countries with all their resources are unable to fathom.

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Good to hear from you again.

I am not Lloyd Cata as you suggested in another blog, although I agree with a lot of what he writes about.

Because the views and writing styles are somewhat similar, I thought you might both be the same. This was subsequently clarified by Lloyd Cata in another thread. My apologies to you both.

Next we will be reading that the mysterious elections were cancelled and you will still say that there was no military coup. I also support the Brasilian embassy in Honduras for giving refuge to Zelaya.

My view is very simple: It is not any of our business and we have other important issues to address. However, IMHO, our leaders took a different approach for reasons I understand,but unwilling to discuss.

the citizens of South and Central American countries will never enjoy true democracy. The majority will remain uneducated and under the continual domination of individuals backed by military strongmen from both the left and the right. The ideologies of capitalism vs socialism will remain the prevailing issues instead of humanity, human development, and being one brothers keeper.

We have been discussing this before. Unfortunately, the history has proved as such and there has not been a "Middle of the Road" policy in the continent.

Education reduces poverty and conflict while encouraging growth, something most South and Central American countries with all their resources are unable to fathom

Because they are "unable to fathom", the history will repeat itself for decades to come. A sad reality, though.

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"Because the views and writing styles are somewhat similar, I thought you might both be the same. This was subsequently clarified by Lloyd Cata in another thread. My apologies to you both. "

No need to apologize. You are correct about the views and writing styles. After reading what he wrote I am left with very little to add and it seems as if I never left for work.

"My view is very simple: It is not any of our business and we have other important issues to address."

I used to have the same view, but it has led to the rise of people like Hugo Chaves. I wont deny that there are other important issues to be address, but this one is very important. I believe it is in the interest of Central and South American countries to resolve their issues within the region and for this to happen strong leadership is needed. whether we like it or not that leadership can only be provided by two places, Brazil and Costa Rica, and both countries are now personally intertwined in the Honduran crisis.

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I used to have the same view, but it has led to the rise of people like Hugo Chaves.

Hugo Chavez is one of the many reasons why I do not go overboard about our interfering in the domestic affairs of Honduras. In case you have missed the news while you were away, he was the one who provided the plane to transport Zelaya to Honduras and firmly advised him to seek for "shelter" in the Brazilian embassy which the gentleman is using as his political campaign HQ. Col.Chavez announced his participation in this little conspiracy, while he was in NYC while attending the U.N. meeting. Whether our government was informed or not of the arrival of this leader, I do not know. Hugo Chavez is slowly managing to change the constitution of his country to remain in power eternally, while at the same time founding his own dynasty. I have a feeling that this trend is going to catch up with other countries in the continent and the dwindling middle class can not do much to contain it. I do not think that we are involved in this situation out of "humanitarian" reasons.

whether we like it or not that leadership can only be provided by two places, Brazil and Costa Rica, and both countries are now personally intertwined in the Honduran crisis.

I beg to differ. Costa Rica, I agree. Why Brasil? It doesn't even have border with Honduras and our language is different from theirs and there are plenty of Caudilho friends of theirs like Kirchner family in Argentina,Col.Chavez in Caracas, Evo Morales in La Paz,etc; Besides, there is one other economically powerful and Spanish speaking country called Mexico that can easily solve the problems of Honduras. Mexico is supposed to be a Democracy, is it not? Cristina Kirchner and Hugo Chavez who both are great friends of Zelaya could send their troops to Honduras to rescue or reinstall him, if Mexico is not willing to help him out.

Sorry, Guest, something isn't right in this entire story.

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I find funny to hear all "macho" men criticizing Hugo Chavez, not to mention Fidel castro, but why have I never ever hear these same machos criticizing the comunist oppressive Chinese government???? Your hypocrisy is greater than your guts??? Ou bolas RSRSRS

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I didn't direct this message to you but to the geniuses on this blog!!

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"Why Brasil? It doesn't even have border with Honduras and our language is different from theirs..."

Because leadership does not require a common border or language and Brasil should be in the role of being a leader not a follower.

"In case you have missed the news while you were away, he was the one who provided the plane to transport Zelaya to Honduras and firmly advised him to seek for "shelter" in the Brazilian embassy which the gentleman is using as his political campaign HQ. Col.Chavez announced his participation in this little conspiracy, while he was in NYC while attending the U.N. meeting."

If left unchecked, where esle do you think he will interfere.

I agree with you that Mexico is a democracy and should be playing a roll here, but at the moment the mexican government is embroiled in a vicious internal fight against their drug cartels.

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ive always used china as a great example of the flawed failed policies of comunism. thier volta de campo killed millions of people. and their era where the young maoists went after professors and any one seeming going against the marxist grain was dreadful...many revolutionaries in south america admit they trained in china, fortifying the notion that there was a unifited marxist quest to gain total world domination

castro and chavez just are at the crux of the neo com neo marzist resurgance in south america, with the extremly slick strategy of getting their agendas going in democracies....something marxism deplores...democracy...the irony is mind boggling...and only fortifies the notion that they hide behind ideology to gain power

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you have been running off at the mouth about the "empire", so its time to look at the long answer why you are so in the dark as to what is really happening in the world.

the most armed conflicts in the last 60 years have been started by fundamentalist islamic groups

20 million people were eliminated in marxist soviet union

20 million died in volta na campo policies in maos marxist china

over 40 million people died becase the national socialists of germany and the real imperialists of japan decided to take over the world making them responsible for that devastation and destruction including the elimination of 6 million jews ( the goddam socialists are really good at elimination of masses of people)

that only scratches the surface of the long answer .there is nothing the united states ever did that comes close to equaling these things (of course they participated in world war 2 but was attacked by japan and germany declared war one day after the japan attack)

you are so engrossed at reveiwing the usa's hemmoroids that you miss the big picture

as well as the fact that guys like you actualy think you can criticise someones life style in the name of your false phony ideologies

but that is all right cata, i hate right wing concervatives , greedy unregulate capatilist who leave shit for their children and fundimentalist islamic terroists more than discombobulated neo marsixts.....just dont ever criticise where i drink or who i can f**k...

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Brasil should be in the role of being a leader not a follower.

There is a different between "Visionary leadership" and "Populist Leadership". The question is what sort of "leadership", Latin America needs at this moment and depending on the answer Brazil can chalk its destiny as a leader.

If left unchecked, where esle do you think he will interfere.

Why should we control the good Col.Chavez.? After all he is a great "amigo" of our President, isn't he?

Am I talking in riddles and puzzles? May be, I got this habit from our friend Lloyd Cata.

Unfortunately, you didn't participate much under the article written by August about "Polarization of Latin America". I am of the opinion that it is inevitable and to the delight of Russians, Americans, French, British and German Armament Industries. Of course, my apologies for not including the Chinese manufacturers of consumer goods.

If you do not understand what I am talking about, I suggest your reading the books recommended by Dr.Lloyd Cata. Especially the one titled "Last Plantation"

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its really funny, i consider myself leaning to the left...i beleive everyone should have a fair chance...i hate hyper capatalism and beleive in capatalism with a concience....i despise the wall street uber rich who tanked the usa with their unregulated greed , and the politions who allowed it to happen on their watch....i am a small business man fighting the huge corporations every step of the way, i dont have a chance against them...

but , i cant take you weirdos who have come to the conclusion that socialim with marxist tendancies is the way to go and that the empire is the all eveil force and source of all the problems in the world and that it is good if it could be over thrown...hell no, i dont see it at all, and detest that form of thinking.

you all start to sound the same, you are reading off of the same dogmad soviet union propaganda page with castros snot all over it , whether you know it or not. whenever i hear " the empire" " the litany of the empires evil in the world,..." the same list of dogmad sos bs..there is a guy over at the miami herals, all correct in his spelling and educated , and he sounds just like you....its like the moan chumpski brigade...another educated linguist who sounds like a fool....education doesnt mean life wisdom...and the real life facts show a very dirty ugly world with a lot of horrible dirt on the side of the totalitarion ideologues and islamic fundamentalists...

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"There is a different between "Visionary leadership" and "Populist Leadership". The question is what sort of "leadership", Latin America needs at this moment and depending on the answer Brazil can chalk its destiny as a leader. "

You are right, there is a difference between "Visionary leadership" and "Populist Leadership" and at this moment in Latin America a leader with a combination of both is needed. Are you telling me that Brasil is not ready to stand up to the challenge, and if not, why and when?
In my opinion, Brasil should be concentrating on resolving conflicts within Latin America while at the same time minimizing Chaves influence and interference in the region. Forget the pipe dream of being a member of the disfunctional UN Security Council and concentrate on the backyard where leadership could effect change.

"Why should we control the good Col.Chavez.? After all he is a great "amigo" of our President, isn't he?"

Have you ever heard the the following phrases "Keep your friends close but your enemies closer." and "With friends like these who needs enemies." Remember, diplomacy is not written in stone.

"Unfortunately, you didn't participate much under the article written by August about "Polarization of Latin America". I am of the opinion that it is inevitable and to the delight of Russians, Americans, French, British and German Armament Industries. Of course, my apologies for not including the Chinese manufacturers of consumer goods."

"If you do not understand what I am talking about, I suggest your reading the books recommended by Dr.Lloyd Cata. Especially the one titled "Last Plantation"

Polarization will only take place if we allow it to happen. We may not be able stop the "merchants of death" from selling us their weapons, but it does not mean that we have to use them against ourselves. This is where Brasilian leadership is needed and now is the right time.

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