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Brazil's Top Jewish Leader Goes to Jail in Florida for Shoplifting PDF Print E-mail
Written by Elma Lia Nascimento   
Friday, 30 March 2007

Rabbi Henry Sobel's Florida police mug New York raised Rabbi Henry Sobel, 63, one of Brazil's most respected religious leaders and for more than 35 years president of the São Paulo Israelite Congregation (CIP, Congregação Israelita Paulista), Latin America's largest Jewish congregation, has been arrested in Palm Beach, Florida, accused of stealing 4 ties from different upscale stores.

Together with former São Paulo cardinal Evaristo Arns, rabbi Sobel, has been an important force in favor of social justice in Brazil. He was a constant presence at ecumenical celebrations against torture by the Brazilian military dictatorship, in the 1960s and 1970s.

According to the Palm Beach police, which made the arrest last Friday, March 23, the rabbi spent the night in jail and only was released after paying US$ 3,680, US$ 680 for the ties and US$ 3000 as bail. Sobel was taken to the police station at 6;15 pm, on Friday, and only released the next day at 3:30 pm.

After being detained thanks to a camera that captured him stealing the tie, Sobel, at first, denied the theft. He once again denied he was the man shown in pictures of the police precinct's Internet site when the news appeared in the Brazilian media.  .

The Florida police report states that the authorities were told Friday afternoon by a saleswoman at a Louis Vuitton store that they suspected an older man had stolen a tie.

After noticing the disappearance of the object the store reviewed the store's surveillance camera tape and found out a client who took a tie, folded it and then left the shop without stopping at the cashier.  Later, a policeman recognized the rabbi as the man on the tape.

Questioned by the officer he ended up confessing that he had stolen the tie, after having offered to pay for it. When the police searched inside his car they found, always according to the police report, three other ties, which were also stolen. Sobel told he had paid for them, but could not produce any proof of payment, like a receipt or a store packaging.

Two of the ties valued at US$ 180 and US$ 170 were from Louis Vuitton and Giorgio's. The other two were a Gucci and a Giorgio Armani and cost US$ 155 and US$ 175 respectively. The police called all the stores and found out none of the ties had been paid for.

Before presenting his temporary resignation to his congregation, which was promptly accepted, Sobel released a note to the press in which he says he had no intention of stealing the ties:

"I never intended to steal any object in my entire life. I'm personally used to face crises and charges and I can defend myself. I cannot allow, however, that people attempt to disqualify the moral values that I always stood up for."

Sobel apparently hid the incident even from his wife, the artist Amanda Sobel, who was born in New York and lived in Palm Beach. When asked about the case by a reporter of O Estado de São Paulo she answered:

"I don't believe it. It can only be a lie. He really was there in Florida but he didn't tell me a thing about arrest or ties. It can only be a frame-up. We will prove that this news is entirely false."

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written by bo, March 30, 2007
"I don't believe it. It can only be a lie. He really was there in Florida but he didn't tell me a thing about arrest or ties. It can only be a frame-up. We will prove that this news is entirely false."




Yeah, they got him on videotape for gods sakes. Had ties in his car, no receipts, he admitted to stealing one of the ties. But naturally it's a "set-up", and do you know why?? Because he's brazilian. smilies/wink.gif
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written by fburns, March 30, 2007
Brazilian has nothing to do wit it, bo, he was set up for being a fanatic religious leader -- are they all hypocritical? Of course not, somewhere there must be at least one who is not just manipulating the sheep for money, prestige, power, a sense of self-worth and a nice position for fondling the young'ns.
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Pronunciation Ploblem.
written by Professor, March 30, 2007
If his pronunciation in English is as bad as it is in Portuguese, perhaps there was a communication problem?

Maybe when the police said, sir can I see the receipt for the tie?
He might have understood "RECIPE", then he probably told the cop; Americans are Arrogant! And stupid!

In memory of "ceBola Preta" where ever he/she/it might be lurking on this site....

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What a schmuck
written by aes, March 30, 2007
Jesus Christ. Maybe it was because he was from New York originally, maybe he suffers from dimentia, temporary insanity, makes a good defense, he has a tie fettish and cant help himself, he must steal ties. Poor bastard, and he's only 63 probably not Orthodox. Liberal thinker, what's yours is mine and what's mine is mine. Time to forgive and forget and get a new head rabbi for Sao Paulo. This guy will have a lot to repent for on Yom Kippur. What a schmuck.
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DEPORT HIM !!!!!
written by u.s.guest, March 30, 2007
Another Brazilian national in florida on a crime spree...
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Just KlEpTo
written by Eddie, March 31, 2007
Come on people, the rabbi is very good on one side ,community leader,progressist and kleptomaniac
( n : someone with an irrational urge to steal in the absence of
an economic motive) on the other hand.Let's get over.Somebody said throw the first stone who never sin.

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Pagan Conspiracy
written by Professor, March 31, 2007
Here is the truth, it is a Pagan conspiracy against the Jewish community!
Go the the link below and note on the police report the Officers name..

http://www.pbso.org/index.cfm?.../index.htm
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noticias fresquinhas
written by pernambucation boy, March 31, 2007
saiu no jornal agorinha: ele agora foi internado por disturbios psicologico.
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written by john r. rey, March 31, 2007
deport him!!!!
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Henry Sobel
written by Zina & Hugo Landwehr, March 31, 2007
It's very difficult to believe that Henry Sobel would steal anything.....He is a relgious man.....It's definitely a set up.
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Zina & Hugo
written by aes, March 31, 2007
The United States does not set up a visiting head rabbi from Sao Paulo. Most of Palm Beach, at least the monied part is a Jewish enclave. Sobel is/was not a threat to the United States and therefore to presume that 'it's definitely a set up' is ludicrous.

For 'a religious man' to be obsessed with ties, to the point of stealing them, is madness. 'Set up' in the United States is done on a much grander scale, for greater geo political or economic reasons then the arresting of a completely unknown rabbi from Sao Paulo, Brazil. An equally completely unknown city to most Americans.

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HEY BO-SHITTER YOU ARE STUPID ...YEAH LETS DEPORT HIM BACK TO N.Y. OR LISBON?
written by Roberrrrrrrt, March 31, 2007
Henry Sobel (Lisboa, 9 de janeiro de 1944) é um rabino brasileiro, foi presidente do Rabinato da Congregação Israelita Paulista (CIP).

Nascido em Portugal, ainda na primeira infância, sua família estabeleceu-se em Nova Iorque, onde formou-se rabino em 1970. Neste mesmo ano, recebe e aceita o convite para ser rabino na CIP e se radica no Brasil; Sobel teve ao seu lado, na CIP, os rabinos Michel Schlesinger e Yehuda Busquila. O rabino tem apenas uma filha, Alisha, nascida em 1983.

Apesar de morar no Brasil há mais de três décadas, Sobel preserva um característico sotaque estrangeiro típico norte-americano, e é objeto de paródias de humoristas, particularmente os de rádio.

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TO BO AND ALLEN, THE VIRTUAL MEN.
written by Roberrrrrrrt, March 31, 2007
THE CHALLENG BY THE BUSTARDS:

Written by Allen Brown,
If you want to dance come to me not to some one else , like wars are fought by men to afraid not to fight . i believe some people just need killing .

written by bo,
Aracaju, Sergipe you piece of trash. Come on up, leave the knives and the guns behind. We'll throw hands. I'm waiting to take a decade of frustration out on some reality denying, ignorant brazilian a*****e.


CHALLENGE ECCEPTED:

YOU BO GUY!!!
written by Roberrrrt,

Arrive today Friday the 30 th. See you tomorrow at the Mirante 13 de Julho 9 A.M. go inside. I will be calling the information desk phone 79-3179-2192 from my cell phone and ask for you. I don't own a gun and don't use knifes like you and you friend allen. You will find out why. BE THERE!

WHERE WERE YOU!!!

written by Roberrrrrrrt,
It is now 11:15 WHERE WERE YOU ??? You excrement of humanity, show up and be a man you coward piece of s**t. I’m giving you one more chance…I am back at the CELI PRAIA HOTEL waiting for you BO-SHITTER !


THE RESULT:

NEVER SHOWED UP!!!

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Rabbi Sobel is an American
written by buttercup, March 31, 2007
For those who might want a translation from th above entry in Portuguese: Rabbi Sobel was born in Portugal, but raised in the United States, where he was also trained as a rabbi. He has no accent in English, but a HEAVY american accent in Portuguese--so much so that he is the subject of parodies in Brazil. He has been a rabbi in Brazil for about 30 years now.

I wonder if he moved to Brazil because he was corrupt to begin with, or if his frequent contact with Brazilian politicians corrupted him?
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written by Ric, March 31, 2007
Watta you goys know about anything. Let´s hear from some Yids.
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To:Buttercup-Henry Sobel
written by João da Silva, March 31, 2007
He has no accent in English, but a HEAVY american accent in Portuguese--so much so that he is the subject of parodies in Brazil. He has been a rabbi in Brazil for about 30 years now.

I wonder if he moved to Brazil because he was corrupt to begin with, or if his frequent contact with Brazilian politicians corrupted him?


You are right about him.I think he came in early 70s to this country and is a naturalized American citizen of Portuguese birth.I have seen him several times on the TV and always thought he was wierd.Though he could speak good Portugués, he maintained his heavy American accent.

I havent heard about him recently until this news broke out and am quite surprised to know that he was arrested for stealing ties. I think the hard time has fallen on him like many other Brazilians. It is a pity that he had to resort to "Muamba",by smuggling into Brazil, stolen ties and reselling them.

Hope his stay in A.Einstein hospital cures him of all the phsycological problems he had.
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To: Ric & AES
written by João da Silva, April 01, 2007
Watta you goys know about anything. Let´s hear from some Yids.


I am not sure,but is "Yid" not a derogative word, while refering to the Jewish people? . I think you guys in the southern U.S. refer to them as "Kykes". Am a right?.

Would like your opinion.
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Joao
written by aes, April 01, 2007
'Kyke' is equivalent to 'Spic', 'Wop', 'Nigger', 'Chink', 'Jap', ad infinitum, and are derrogative, even the word Jew may be used derrogatively ie 'dirty Jew'.

The word 'Yid' is generally inoffensive and used neutrally or even familiarly, especially if reffered to by another 'Yid'. There are a number of Jewish words that have become part of the American lexicon, 'kosher', 'schmuck', 'schlameil', 'nebbish', 'maven'(expert), 'gannif'
(thief), 'bobkes' (nothing), among a litany of others.
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Go away!!
written by V.Martin, April 01, 2007
Mr. Bo: The only thing that you have been doing here is try to offend Brazil and the brazilians. We think that you people have already enough enemies around the world and that it would be a bad choice for you to put us on your list. Making enemies is what you, Yankees do best. This gentleman, Mr. Sobel is not even brazilian, for your information. He is hebrew. Think twice before you open your big mouth. As a matter of fact I don't understand why you as an Yankee spend your entire time in a british newspaper atacking the brazilians. It seems that you have a desire to throw the british against us. You are wasting your time.
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What else could he have stolen?
written by D. Miller, April 01, 2007
It makes you wonder what else he might have stolen over all these years. Further, now they are trying to cover up with the good old psychological disorder eyewash by immediately admitting him in hospital. Stealing is stealing plain and simple, and he admitted to it and even offered to pay. So he knew what he was doing.
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V.Martian
written by Professor, April 01, 2007
This gentleman, Mr. Sobel is not even brazilian, for your information. He is hebrew.

If that is the case, you are Portuguese.
As a matter of fact I don't understand why you as an Yankee spend your entire time in a british newspaper atacking the brazilians. It seems that you have a desire to throw the british against us. You are wasting your time.

Whilst, the Brits are pup crawling, us Yanks infiltrate the Newspapers, cause that's what we Yanks do best.


http://www.imagensdokibe.blogg...ravata.jpg
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Joao
written by aes, April 01, 2007
'watta you goys know about anything. . .' The syntax or semantics indicates that it is written by a 'Yid', as no non Jew referes to himself as a 'goy', ergo what follows 'let's hear from some Yids' is not pejorative. The use of the word 'goy' is a Jewish expression not a gentile one.
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Oops I did it again!
written by Professor, April 01, 2007
the Brits are pup crawling

I should read PUB..unintentional coincidence, ne?
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TO:AES
written by João da Silva, April 01, 2007
The use of the word 'goy' is a Jewish expression not a gentile one


You mean to say that good ole Ric is a "Yid"? If he is one,he would be a perfect replacement for Henry Sobel in the Jewish Congration of SP,though I dont think Ric needs that job. smilies/grin.gif
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written by V.Martin, April 01, 2007
Mr.Professor: He might be born in Portugal, but as a jew he and all others who are specially in Brazil consider themselves "hebrew". Most of them here denies their brazilian citizenship. First they say that they are jews. So, let them be jews in the good and bad situations.
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Fall from grace, 'oy'
written by aes, April 01, 2007
First of all Jew's globally are in a state of denial. To be a Jew is a genetic thing, like being black.
It is rare and ironic in this age of Protestant corruption, Catholic pedophilia, that we now have a Jewish tie thief rabbi. Oy. Most Jew's in the 'diaspora' consider themselves a Jew by birth, not by choice, they are ethnically their country of origin. In the U.S. 'the assimilation of Jewry' is the greatest threat to the concept of being 'a Jew'. We are Americans first Jews by accident of birth. It is also a truism 'that the only person that will 'stand up' for a Jew is another Jew.

Sobel' s behavior is psychologically tragic. But no culture, no religion, is exempt from madness, even the 'chosen people'. Never hire an American rabbi to head the Jewry of Sao Paulo. Certainly out of 10,500,200 people there must be a Jew of a personal morality capable of leading the Jewish community (non Orthodox). 'Lord spare us our insanity';
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I Breakdown
written by Professor, April 02, 2007
written by V.Martin, 2007-04-01 17:43:05

Mr.Professor: He might be born in Portugal, but as a jew he and all others who are specially in Brazil consider themselves "hebrew". Most of them here denies their brazilian citizenship. First they say that they are jews. So, let them be jews in the good and bad situations.

I would venture to say the more affiliations one has the more suffering one must endure. Explains the mental breakdown.." The man you see now, is not the man you know."
My real opinion is this: whom ever Mr. Sobel is or might be, whether Jew or Portuguese or whatever, I have sympathy for him. The fall he has taken, all have taken in one form or another.
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To:Herr.Professor
written by João da Silva, April 02, 2007
My real opinion is this: whom ever Mr. Sobel is or might be, whether Jew or Portuguese or whatever, I have sympathy for him. The fall he has taken, all have taken in one form or another


In my opinion, this guy for the past 35 years,played the roles of "Gotosão" and a big "Pavão", pissing on everybody in this country.He was and still is a wierd person.I think he was born with the gift for shop lifting.I am not sure if he honed his skill in NYC or SP (or both).The way he appeared on the TV last night was nauseating. For me there is no difference between him and the grand Ayotullahs in Iran.

Sorry for being nasty which is not in my nature.
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Re: João da Silva
written by Professor, April 02, 2007
In my opinion, this guy for the past 35 years,played the roles of "Gotosão" and a big "Pavão", pissing on everybody in this country.

I do not know much about Mr. Sobel, other than having watched him on T.V.
I have learned one thing from him though. What I learned was how bad a person sounds speaking Portuguese with an American accent. It has encouraged me to better mine!!

I believe the days of heroes are all but gone.

Putting faith in any Government, System, Economy, Religion, Person etc.
is futile.

It appears the whole world is going mad!

As for me, GOD is the only hero I have left, the same GOD who sent his son to die on the cross for the sins of mankind. I am not preaching but defining which GOD,
because there are many.
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Última moda em Palm Beach...
written by Professor, April 02, 2007
http://www.imagensdokibe.blogg...-Sobel.jpg
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To:Professor
written by João da Silva, April 02, 2007
I have learned one thing from him though. What I learned was how bad a person sounds speaking Portuguese with an American accent. It has encouraged me to better mine!!


It is a very sensible comment and I do appreciate it. The Brazilians are the most tolerant people when a foreigner massacres their language.We dont mind the grammatical and spelling errors committed by them.We know that it is very difficult to speak Portuguese (or for that matter any language) like a native when one comes to this country after certain age.

In the case of Sobel, he speaks very good Portuguese becauseprobably his folks still speak the language at home. I am sure he speaks English with the accent of a New Yorker and could speak Portuguese with a Lisbon accent. The biggest problem with him is that he uses his American accent as a personal Marketing Tool! I hope after this ordeal,he would come down his high pedestal and speak our language like a native.
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To:AES/Fall from grace, 'oy'
written by João da Silva, April 02, 2007
Certainly out of 10,500,200 people there must be a Jew of a personal morality capable of leading the Jewish community (non Orthodox). 'Lord spare us our insanity';


Ah, AES.You may be right.Sobel can go back to Palm Beach where his wife lives (and probably has properties) and let one of the Non Orthodox Paulistano Yid to take over his duties.A sane suggestion from you.

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João da Silva
written by Professor, April 03, 2007
The biggest problem with him is that he uses his American accent as a personal Marketing Tool! I hope after this ordeal,he would come down his high pedestal and speak our language like a native.

You are probably correct, I could not imagine any other reason why he would butcher the language with an American Pronunciation? To me it shows a absolute complete lack of effort in even trying. I guess since he is making an American Salary the rest follows..
Moral of this story is "A tie around the neck can also be used to hang ones self!!"
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TO:Herr.Professor
written by João da Silva, April 03, 2007
Moral of this story is "A tie around the neck can also be used to hang ones self!!"
.

I havent heard this proverb for a long time and thanks for quoting it. I dont know if you understand our language well,but there is a word to describe such people .It is called "Pavão" and roughly translated into English it means a "Show off".Anyway,he is an American citizen who was arrested for shop lifting on U.S. soil and I am sure that the judges in Palm Beach would apply the local laws while judging his crime.

BTW, I have some very nice American Jewish friends (Non Orthodax,as our friend AES loves to point out). They wouldnt approve of Sobel!!

Take care smilies/grin.gif
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